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by David Haber
These are the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Snape is not really a Death Eater, has remained loyal to Dumbledore, and all through the book, Snape is working on Dumbledore's Orders.
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We don't know that, Sabrina. The horcrux protection could have been set up by Voldy to refill itself if someone emptied it.
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on December 2, 2006 4:04 PM
Yes, but I doubt that would have happened because why would Voldemort want the bowl to refill itself it the horcrux was already gone?
Posted by Sabrina Apolinar from Winton, California on December 2, 2006 4:49 PM
Very simple. Voldemort was banking on the fact that whoever was trying to drink the potion would fail to be able to drink it all. Therefore, to continue the protection, after someone fails to drink it all, it must refill itself.
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on December 2, 2006 5:00 PM
Thats true, thank you for pointing that out.
Posted by Sabrina Apolinar from Winton, California on December 2, 2006 5:07 PM
I am really enjoying reading this thread and the very sound theories. Everyone here seems to make sense, except that one person from England who thinks Voldemort and Snape are related because they have black hair(!-and what about Harry, eh?) and that Snape is Harry's actual father( I suppose James' genes jumped from him to Lily and from Lily to Harry without Snape's own genes ever making so much as an appearance - oh! except for the black hair!)
Anyway, I found something that didn't fit in with the general charcter of Snape. Snape has always been portrayed as cold and rational. While standing in front of Dumbledore, imagine for a moment that he was acting in loyalty to Voldemort through the Unbreakable Vow. Don't you picture him doing the in cold blood instead of with hatred and revulsion on his face? What is the need for all this strong feeling against DD when DD had trusted him completely and even accepted him into the Order? Throughout the series, Snape has shown strong feeling in only certain specific cases:-
1. Hatred towards harry
2. Hatred towards James/Sirius
3. Fear/Revulsion towards his identity as a Eater (for instance regarding the Dark Mark when the fake Moody mocks him)
Everything else that he has done points to his apparently imperturbable and rather detached manner(e.g. in meting out punishments). So it makes sense that the hatred and revulsion he feels is for the rather than for DD.
I know it sounds far-fetched but like Hercule Poirot, I prefer to delve into the personality traits of the suspect or the victim rather than the fingerprints and cigar ash. The personality of the victim has already given us a clue ( that Dumbledore pleaded for his life when he never really feared is too much of an abnormality to be true).
Another point I found interesting was that of Snape arguing with Dumbledore that there was something he(Snape) could no longer do. If indeed this were proof of Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore wavering, he was too smart to go and reveal it to Dumbledore. Snape knows that Dumbledore may be trusting, but he's no fool. It makes more sense if Snape was showing reluctance in the plan to Dumbledore, either due to his own conscience getting in the way, or because he knew he would be a hunted man after the .
Posted by Joyeeta from New Delhi/Singapore on December 2, 2006 8:43 PM
What if Dumbledure said "Severus...please..." becuase he doesn't want to believe that he's evil?
Posted by Greenwitch from Jorredson, JK on December 5, 2006 6:45 PM
I think DD was asking Severus to him quickly and get everyone off the tower right away, because if DD had d slowly from the potion the spell holding Harry in place would be broken and he(Harry) would be discovered.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on December 6, 2006 10:07 AM
Everyone is saying that R.A.B. is Regulus Black.
After doing some research [thanks to wikipedia] I have discovered the following facts.
One. On the locket, there was a engraved snake. After 6 Harry Potter books, us readers have learned that snakes are solely connected to Slytherin.
Two. This is something that may be difficult to understand. We can't forget that fateful part in the HBP when Harry and Dumbledore crossed the lake to find the Horcrux. Under normal circumstances, Dumbledore would have to go alone, however, Harry, being underage, was allowed to cross as well.
Now here's the tricky part. We all know Kreacher, the Black's formidable house elf, and we know how crazy he is. We also know that Slytherin's save their own skins if nessecary, not caring about others as long as they stayed alive. So, what if Regulus, who knew where the Horcrux was, took Kreacher with him, and had Kreacher drink the potion. Since Kreacher is not classified as a wizard, wouldn't he and Regulus be able to cross the lake without any problems?
The locket states the R.A.B. be by the time Voldemort reads this, but the Horcrux be gone. So there is a chance that Regulus Black is R.A.B.
Three. This is a quote from Wikipedia;
"Isabel Nunes, the Portuguese translator of the series, claimed to the Portuguese website Nimbus Network that R.A.B. is indeed Sirius's brother. She asked the gender of the mystery character, for matters of translation, and in the answer she received not only the gender, but the name: Regulus Arcturus Black."
Regulus Arcturus Black > R.A.B.
Also, if you look at the black family tree, you notice names repeated. For example, There are 2 Sirius Blacks'. So Regulus could have been given the same middle name as one of his relatives.
Four. Another quote from Wikipedia;
"Support for the theory that Regulus Black is R.A.B. has been gathered from the translation of Half-Blood Prince to other languages. In the Dutch translation of the novel, Regulus Black is called Regulus Zwarts and the initials in the locket are R.A.Z. In the Norwegian edition, Regulus Black is called Regulus Svaart, and the initials R.A.S. are in the locket, while in the Finnish translation, Regulus Black is called Regulus Musta, and the initials are R.A.M."
Doesn't it seem fishy that even in 3 other languages, the first two intials are still R.A.? This seems very strange.
Five. This is the last quote from the 5th Harry Potter Book, it is also the biggest explanation for my little theory.
"... he was ed by Voldemort. Or on Voldemort's orders, more likely, I doubt Regulus was ever important enough to be ed by Voldemort in person." — Sirius Black.
Who knows where Sirius got this information. But let's focus on another part of this quote.
"... he was ed by Voldemort, or on Voldemort's orders more likely."
Perhaps Regulus was not ed because he chickene out, but because he betrayed Voldemort by destroying the Horcrux.
Wow, after all this, I am believing more and more that R.A.B. is most defiently Regulus. Thanks for the time it took to read this message.
Posted by Julia from Saskatoon on December 8, 2006 8:31 PM
Wow….do you know how lucky you are over in your country? I wish I could have seen that extended version of PoA! Two weeks ago they promised on TV that we could watch the extended version of CoS….what a laugh….they didn’t even put all the scenes in we all have on the DVD Version! I was able to compare it, because I have friends over in New York who sent me last year that extended version of CoS, which was on HBO.
Out of curiosity, I took out my copy of PoA and had a look at that scene you described, with Snape protecting Hermione, Ron and Harry. Is there more now on that scene than before? Also interesting how Snape’s most concerned about Harry, when he runs after Werewolf/Lupin and Black dog/Sirius and calls him to come back! The more I watch those scenes with the time-turner, the more I get confused!
Is this totally deranged when I say; there is a chance that Snape came up with that strong PATRONUS SPELL?
Maybe this scene is one of the “Foreshadowing things” JO was talking about, while being interviewed together with director Alfonso Cuaron!
Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on December 9, 2006 05:45 AM
about the article on Snape's clues.. if Snape was really protecting Harry, then why did he try to open Harry's mind further (as what Ron suggested in Book 5) during Occlumency lessons? Snape does seem like he's trying to harm Harry.. do give some suggestions on this =)
Posted by ting on December 11, 2006 02:10 AM
Harry was the one that did the powerful patronus spell. It was already revealed in that same book. If Snape had done it, I doubt the patronus would have been a stag especially since snape hated James with every atom in his body. And It says that after Harry did the strong patronus the second time(after going back in time) he saw Snape wake up and take everyone up to the castle.He was on the same side of the lake as SIrius and the others.
Posted by Marc Silverman from Tucson, AZ on December 11, 2006 04:43 AM
The second “Patronus” was definitely Harry’s which I never doubted. You are right; there is the stag, which was surely not Snape's!
Come to think of it, did you notice that in the movie, Snape comes running out of the “Shreiking Shack” and immediately protects Harry, Ron and Hermione with his body? That would mean in the movie version of PoA, Snape’s NOT unconscious when Harry runs after Sirius, before the Time-Turner scene! You see where I am going? I know book and movie do always have discrepancies. Why has never anybody talked about this alteration?
I ask myself more than ever, who pulled that first Patronus Spell? Don’t you think that there was something odd going on the first time around? Without Harry and Hermione going back IN TIME, Sirius and Buckbeak would have d, that’s a fact. Harry however, was saved down by the lake together with Sirius, with the Patronus Spell, seen by Harry, before he fainted.
Like I said, the more I think about that scene, the more confused I get. I give up……! Can someone help me?
Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on December 11, 2006 11:24 AM
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