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Severus Snape v. The Ministry of Magic
by J.K. Rich
After reading Book Six in the Harry Potter saga, millions of Harry Potter fans were devastated to learn that after it all—after all the warnings and signs—Severus Snape is, in fact, evil. And, even more devastating—he had killed Professor Dumbledore right in front of The Boy That Lived. Or did he?
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Because it's magic, Seyah! I'm not suggesting the members of the order wouldn't know where 12 Grimmauld Place is, I'm suggesting they truly wouldn't know if someone was asking them. There would be nothing for an occulmens to see.
If the fidelius charm only prevented you from saying, don't you think that would put protected people in great danger? The bads would KNOW you knew, they just could not get you to tell, which would just make them angry, and you don't want a eater angry at you...
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on June 15, 2007 4:37 PM
In the article you said that Snape couldn't be good and have ed dumbledore because of what Moody and Bellatrix said about having to mean it. But, that could be one of the things that would explain why Dumbledore flew off of the tower, instead of simply collapsing. In OotP, when Harry attempts to use the Cruciatus Curse against Bellatrix, she simply gets knocked over and she says its because he didn't have the means to do it. Could the same apply to Snape?
Posted by Nick from Detroit, MI on June 15, 2007 5:14 PM
Herve, Voldemort needed Lily for something? But what's that something? We have almost reached the end with the 7th book and we do have some ideas or clues about the plot like R.A.B., horcruxes etc. But we don't have any clue about Voldemort's need for Lily. Lily was great at potions and so is Snape. So, if Voldemort needed Lily for potions work he might as well use Snape. I don't think that Voldemort had any use for Lily.
Monkeeshrines, your comments though trying to contradict what I said are still supporting my theory. You said why would Voldemort want to spare someone who is a Mudblood and defied him three times. But didn't he want to spare her? You cannot deny that he didn't give her a chance. Now, knowing how self-centered he is, that's very very out of his character to spare someone's life.
As far as Pettigrew goes, well he left Voldemort and returned only by fear of old friends. That's what irked Voldemort though Peter did bring him back to his body. But Snape, he may have never upsetted Voldemort. Imagine, when he revealed the prophecy to him, how pleased he would have been of Snape. Snape might have slipped in the request. And why would it really upset Voldemort? He's the only one who's alone otherwise all his -Eater servants are married with kids etc. So, if Snape wants the same, it shouldn't sound awkward to his Lord. And finally, no matter how cruel Voldemort is, He did reward Peter for his efforts. So, if Snape is one of Voldemort's faithful servants, He would have done atleast that much for him.
Posted by noor from india on June 15, 2007 11:37 PM
In POA it is revealed that the Potter's went into hiding because a SPY informed Dumbledore that Voldemort was looking for them. This would place Severus' conversion at that moment when he realized that he had set Voldemort on Lilly's trail by revealing the prophesy to him. It is not inconsistent to suggest that Severus requested Lilly as 'Spoils of War' after the of her husband, and, if worded in this manner might not even tip off Voldemort.
However, as Voldemort in SS lies to Harry about what Voldemort could do for Harry (ie bring back his parents for him) in order to gain the stone, it is not much of a leap to suggest that he would lie to Lilly Potter just to young Harry immediately either.
I, like Dumbledore, 'trust Severus Snape'... I don't think he is going to survive it, but I think we all be proud of him in about 34 days...
Posted by Charlie Tarbox from Gettysburg, Pa on June 16, 2007 08:18 AM
Related to this entire topic... Does anyone know of any possible suggestion that 'that awful boy' who mentions the Azkaban guards in front of Aunt Petunia is Severus Snape and not James Potter?
Aunt Petunia certainly seems to have nothing decent to say about James Potter, but there is an ambiguity about 'that awful boy' which has the air of either a clue or a red herring about it.
Posted by Charlie Tarbox from Gettysburg, Pa on June 16, 2007 08:22 AM
We know Snape was good at creating spells. My thory is that maybe together, He and Dumbledore created their own spell specially for Dumbledores plan. The spell could do these four things:
1) Leave Dumbledore looking physically the same.
2) Make Dumbledore appear to have physical injuries.
3) Protect Dumbledore from physical contact.
4) Make Dumbledore appear (not breathing, lifeless).
Posted by Dean from UK on June 16, 2007 09:15 AM
Dumbledore is . Yes. And I believe Snape ed him on Dumbledore's orders.
When Dumbledore and Harry were in the cave, Dumbledore had to drink a potion in order to reach the "horcrux". Dumbledore made Harry promise that he would make him drink it, no matter how much he begged him to stop.
"Hating himself, repulsed by what he was doing, Harry forced the goblet back toward Dumbledore's mouth..." HBP pg. 571 US edition.
Well whenever they were in the tower and Snape was about to Dumbledore, he started begging. Begging for what? Definatly not his life. You should all know that Dumbledore is NOT afraid of .
"After all, to the well-organized mind, is but the next great adventure." -Albus Dumbledore pg. 297 SS
Snape had the same look of hatred on his face that Harry did.
"Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face" HBP pg. 595 US version.
Then Dumbledore "begged", but like I said, Dumbledore isn't afraid of , therefore he wasn't begging for his life. He was obviously begging for Snape to continue on with his promise and Dumbledore.
True, it might not have been the "Avada" curse, but he indeed did do something to him.
Posted by Kaitlyn from Huntsville, AL on June 16, 2007 2:19 PM
noor - It wasn't so much that I was trying to say that Voldemort didn't want to spare Lily, but that the reason would not have been at Severus' request. Yes, he gave Lily the choice, and he must not have needed her that badly since he ed her anyway, but I would think that if a Eater really asked something like that of him, he would get angry and inflict pain upon that Eater (and maybe others, too.) I do not believe Voldemort would have rewarded one of his followers with sparing the life of one of his enemies, but rather with something that benefits only the person who the reward was given to (and possibly himself), such as he did with Peter. I see where you're coming from, but the choice and decision to tell Lily to get out of the way was based on his reasons, and his alone.
Posted by Monkeeshrines from orlando fl on June 18, 2007 08:14 AM
What if Dumbledore needed to , for Harry to realise that Dumbledore is only human? Harry idolises Dumbledore and is always reliant upon him being there, telling everyone that they be safe with Dumbledore because he is the only one Voldermort fears. What if Harry needs to realise that Dumbledore is in no way more special than him, and that this is the key to ing Tom Marvolo Riddle.
Posted by Rachel Bell from West Sussex on June 18, 2007 09:54 AM
As I have already posted, I DO think that "That awful boy" is Severus Snape. As you mentioned Petunia has no love for James, but has never refered to him in such a way.
Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on June 18, 2007 2:58 PM
Maybe our separation of view is only semantics. What you're saying, if someone is trying to question an individual about the information or if individual tries to divulge the information or if someone tries to forcibly remove the information (i.e. Legitimens), the Fedelius Charm renders the information to simply not be not there to access. Therefore, the only thing it lets a person that shares the secret do with the information is access it for personal use. Only the Secret Keeper has the ability to access that information for the purpose of sharing or divulging. If that’s right, I’m in line.
Posted by Seyah from SLC on June 18, 2007 4:12 PM
Yes, we are on the same floo now.
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on June 18, 2007 6:06 PM
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