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by David Haber
On August 2, 2006, at the second night of the Harry, Carrie, and Garp event at Radio City Music Hall in New York City, J.K. Rowling says Dumbledore is . But is that the whole story? How does what J.K. has said relate to all of the clues and theories on this site?
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I've just read all the comments on this site and I must say a very interesting read. A lot of the points made by people have intrigued me as well as making me want to question my own theories.
One theory that I have that has been mentioned to a point on this site is that of Dobby and Kreacher trailing Malfoy. I think the point made about Dobby and Kreacher is of importance and come back in book 7. Why?....
Harry never told Dobby or Kreacher to stop following Malfoy once they'd told him about Malfoy using the Room of Requirement. Therefore surely they must have been following him up to the tower and been there when Dumbledore was ed.....
Is it then possible that Dobby tell Harry in Book 7 what really happened to Dumbledore, or not, and able to tell him whether the body was not really Dumbledore or any of the other theories about Dumbledore's "" that others have mentioned on this site e.g. Fawkes being a Horcrux etc,... or could he and Kreacher still be following Malfoy now and be able to report back to Harry as to Snape and Malfoys' whereabouts after they escaped? Or is it only within the school grounds that they can do this? Although, Harry had not specified a time span for the two house-elves to follow Malfoy, nor where to do it (as far as I can remember from the book).
I think Dobby still be very important to Harry in book 7 with regards to this, as well as Kreacher with the other Horcruxes that he is "supposed to have been guarding" as mentioned by other people on this site. Whether any of this actually happens in the final book is another thing but it is so fasinating to see peoples views on what could be!
Posted by Laura Offord from Gloucester, England on September 20, 2006 10:02 AM
Well, this site certainly provides good food or should I say feast for thought. Some of the theories that I have read here are pretty interesting and convincing. But the fact remains, that in book 6 we read about Dumbledore’s body lying on the ground and Hagrid hugging the body. Now for one thing this clearly suggests that the man was indeed Dumbledore and not dobby as suggested by some. And also when Snape cursed Dumbledore with avada kedavra, Harry was free again from the body binding spell. So if that was dobby that d in Dumbledore’s place, then how do you explain this fact? Also in book 6 we read that Dumbledore’s portrait hung behind the headmaster's desk when Prof. McGonagall was talking to Harry and the staff. And yet we haven't read about any portrait of any alive headmaster that would hang in the headmaster's office.
Another theory that I read previously by Andrey Ay, showed a new aspect of the whole scenario. Because the idea about time turners and Dumbledore coming back, though might seem a bit far fetched, still has some valid reasoning behind it.
I also think that Snape might have some ulterior motives behind all this too. We know that he hasn't heard the whole prophecy, so that means he doesn’t know about Voldemort and Harry that one can't live while the other survives. So he might have brewed his own devious scheme, that by ing Dumbledore he would win high honour and deeper trust from Voldemort. Because if you remember that potion Dumbledore had to drink to get the locket, Dumbledore said something like it needs two people to retrieve the locket and asked Harry to not let him stop drinking. Now whoever R.A.B is, he must also have an accomplice when he stole the locket and that most probably would be another eater pal. So think about it! Can't that other person be Snape himself? That also would then mean that Snape knows about horcruxes if not about their total number. But still he might have information about them and with Dumbledore gone, he would finish Voldemort off as well, as he would already have gained his trust and would also have that horcrux. And then he could become the dark lord instead because as Snape showed several times before, he doesn't consider Harry a good and competent wizard or a serious threat. So he would have thought that with both Dumbledore and Voldemort gone, he would become the new dark lord.
But, on the other hand if Snape is not bad and Dumbledore’s was only a plan hatched between Snape and Dumbledore to aid Harry, then the theory that Dumbledore’s gave Harry another protection as Voldemort has made himself immune to Harry's mother's protection in book 4, also looks like a strong possibility. But this should be kept in mind that Lily Potter was Harry's mother and they had a blood relationship. Also, Ms. Rowling has always tried to show the importance of honesty, trust and faith in the books, so she would not want to convey the message that Snape betrayed Dumbledore’s trust by showing his evil side even though Dumbledore was the only one who always trusted Snape, as it might send a wrong message.
But still I think, devastating and sad as it is, Dumbledore is though I am still confused why Fawkes didn't come to save Dumbledore from Snape's curse?
Still all of this is just a jumble of ifs and buts in my head and might be really far fetched. Yet it all increases one's anticipation of what would happen next in book 7 and makes the wait all the more intriguing.
I hope I haven't bored u all with my theories:)
Posted by Rabia from Peshawar, Pakistan on September 20, 2006 4:40 PM
Ooh, this one's gonna be long.:)
To start off, J.K said Dumbledore was definately , and when she puts it in a way that serious "But I think I need - you need - all of you need to move through the five stages of grief and I'm just helping you get past denial." I dont think she'd lie.
"Was Dumbledore considered one of the main characters or we have the chance to see him in action once again? Since he is the most powerful wizard of all time and Harry Potter is so loyal to him, how could he really be ?" This was the kid's question, to which she said she couldnt give an answer because it was in book 7. She's not giving away any hints or anything that Dumbledore might still be alive. She's simply stating that she cant answer how he could've d if he was the most powerful wizard because the answer is in book 7.
For those people who say Dumbledore wouldnt know about the Horcruxes unless he made one, or he couldnt know so much about the cave if he hadnt been there, I think you guys are just underestimating the amount of knowledge Dumbledore has here. I consider him way too noble to ever do anything like make a Horcrux because he simply doesnt sound like a person who'd want to put off his in any way.
While all your theories might be right, I dont think Dumbledore is an Animagus (while it's possible, I just dont think so), I doubt that Snape has anything to do with the fake Horcrux, and I seriously doubt that the potion Dumbledore drank in the cave was supposed to be good for him in any way at all.
Anyway, this is off-topic, but I have this one theory that Harry might actually be the last Horcrux. It's all twisted, and I havent thought on it that much, but what if Voldemort, despite his arrogance, decided to take a precaution and make Harry his last Horcrux? That way, if Harry ever did find all the Horcruxes, destroy them, and Voldemort, the game wouldnt be over until Harry ed himself too. There's one sentence in HBP that makes me think I'm right, it's on page 506 of the US Edition on the fifth paragraph. Dumbledore says,
"However, if my calculations are correct, Voldemort was still atleast one Horcrux short of his goal of six [mentioning before that the seventh resided inside Voldemort himself] when he entered your parents' house with the intention of ing you."
While it might not really fit, that's what I'm going for. And that way it's not the Happily-Ever-After ending, it's Harry s Voldemort ending then sacrifices himself.
Posted by Lili from Texas on September 20, 2006 8:49 PM
Could Dumbledore have split himself into two people (by a horcrux that he made from the of the bad wizard he had to )? If Dumbledore was in two...then one did and one didn't.
Posted by sharon from Michigan on September 21, 2006 07:23 AM
I can't believe that Dumbledore is really and maybe he have some kind of come back which is something that all pray for. Even if he is I still believe that he has a huge part in the 7th book. I cant wait to read it.
Posted by Danielle from Gardner, Kansas on September 21, 2006 07:23 AM
I bet after all this Neville be the one to Voldemort! Remember, there has to be a reason that another student was born on the same day as Harry. Neville has proven that he can do good spells when motivated..also his screwup spells do damage too. Even though Voldemorte singled out Harry for the fight...I bet it is Neville that finishes him off.
Posted by Sharon from Michigan on September 21, 2006 07:28 AM
I think that Dumbledore didn't pull a Gandalf, but he pull a Ben Kenobi. Obi-Wan did indeed , sacrificing himself, and he becomes One with the Force. This allows him to manifest his spirit and still guide Luke.
Now as this relates to Harry Potter, we know that people can come back as ghosts, right? If Dumbledore came back as a ghost, then indeed he is still . In fact, I was expecting him to in every book from the first, pulling a 'Ben Kenobi,' and I even recall thinking "What, he isn't yet?" a few times.
As for Lilli's theory that Harry is Voldemort's last Horcrux: Genius, pure genius.
Posted by Mike on September 21, 2006 07:46 AM
Reading all of the articles and comments, more and more of my ideas seem to have popped-up in other HP-fans' minds too. I also am convinced that Dumbledore isn't gone forever. I sat straight up when I didn't read in the articles about Snape who didn't Harry when leaving the grounds. This immediatly convinced me that Snape is still on the good side. I also think that there must be a spare bottle of elixir from the Philosopher's Stone.
I read some questions among the comments that were quite obvious to me...
The portrait of Dumbledore. Offcourse he doesn't have to be to have his portrait there. JK hasn't ever stated that and Dumbledore can even appear on a simple Chocolate Frog Card! So why can't creating his own portrait be part of the great plan? By the way, so is fooling the Phoenix or instructing the bird to sing all night...
Why is Harry released. I initially didn't think of Dobby/Kreacher being up in the tower, and thought that in the second that Snape "ed" Dumbledore, Dumbledore (or Snape after it) could have given an nonverbal countercurse.
But Dobby could easily have done it (maybe being present in a invisibility-cloak).
Harry being the last horcrux isn't a ridiculus thought (Lily from Texas), but Harry can't Voldemort and sacrifice himself AFTER that, because he can only Voldemort if ALL the horcruxes are destroyed. Maybe Neville have to Voldemort after Harry's sacrificed himself?
I have thought about Dumbledore being an animagus too, since the appearance of Crookshanks. For a while I thought this was Dumbledore's way of knowing what Harry was up to. On her site, however, JK states that Crookshanks isn't an animagus. I like the thought of him being a Phoenix though.
After reading the series 4 times in Dutch, I now am reading it for the second time in English. I can't wait until book 7 arrives... I have cancelled a wedding-invitation on 07-07-2007 because of the rumours that book 7 come out that day! I must know if Harry live and if Dumbledore is still alive.
I agree that Dave Haber (and helpers?) should receive some sort of medal of honour for making this site. Maybe (after admitting he was right) JK Rowling can provide him with something...
Posted by Bianca from Venray (the Netherlands) on September 21, 2006 3:37 PM
I thought I would just throw in my two cents worth. I do believe that Dumbledore reappear in some way in book 7. I also think that he was probably (possibly) present the night that James and Lily d. Remember the scene in the cave after drinking the potion, He kept repeating " me not them" or words to that effect. There has to be some clue in that. I also agree that Neville play more of a role in the upcoming book. Any way, just a few things to think about. I'm really glad I found this website. My daughter thinks I'm obssesed with HP.
Posted by Shauna from brookville,in. on September 21, 2006 10:20 PM
About the Harry is a horcrux and must sacrifice hime self etc. I think this is a distinct possibility since JK is very adament and does not want anyone able to write HP books after her 7th. I know that US copyright law is very clear on derivative works but I do not know about British law. Anyways, if Harry is , she may think it's less likely that someone come along later to write "Harry Potter - Minister of Magic" or some other sequel.
Posted by Anonymous on September 22, 2006 11:43 AM
I have enjoyed reading all of the comments posted on this site. My whole family is obssesed w/ HP, and we love to bounce theories off of each other. Why we are divied on wethier or not Harry is a Horcrux, We all agree that Snape is good. and that Dumbledore is a animagus (Phoenix). Fire is a phenix thing. Jo has also said that the house represent the four elements Earth/Hufflepuff, Water/Slithern,Sky/ Ravenclaw and Fire/Griffendore Dumbledore was also head of Griffndore. Fire also seems to be Dumbledore's thing. He uses it to protect him and Harry from the inferi in HBP and to show a young Tom Riddle that he is a wizard. He also tells Harry in GOF that he set the curtains on fire in his fourth year. He was also the Trasfegration teacher when James and company was in school. I don't think it is far feacthed to think that Dumbledore could be an unregisterd animagus and taught James and company how to become animagus also. I also belive that the fact the that the Order is named THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX and just happens to be headed by Dumbledore is a big clue. Dumbledore's patrous is a phoenix. The staircase leading to his office is a phoenix. In GOF during his dual with Voldermort Harry hears the phoenix song again and the text says that it was the sound he associated with Dumbledore. After rereading the books each time it seems that there is more and more eveidce to show that Dumbledore is a phoenix. Jo did say that Dumbledore is really . When Dumbledore is telling Harry about the fasinating creatures pheoniexs he says the when it is there time and are reborn from the ashes. If you ask me that sounds very much like what happens at Dumbledores . Doesn't it? and what about that phoenix that Harry sees flying off? I think that if it was Fawkes it would have said so.
Two more things. No one knows how Dumbledore got away from the Minsistry in OOTP or how he got Umbridge out of the Forest. Could it be that he transfigured into a phoenix to escape his office? Or to save Umbrige from the forest? Remeber phoenixes can carry hevy loads. My family and I are convinced the more we reread all 6 books that Dumbledore is a animagus (phoenix). We can not wait until book 7 comes out.
Dumbledore Rules! Long Live Dumbledore!
Posted by Donna from Everman, TX on September 22, 2006 2:11 PM
Donna from Everman, TX, has a great thought with the fire-Phoenix connection. Remember when Dumbledore set young Tom Riddle's coat on fire, the contents seem to come alive. That's very Phoenix!
Posted by Michael Hawley from Buffalo on September 23, 2006 05:50 AM
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