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by Jan-Marie Spanard
How does a wizard learn about the existence and properties of Horcruxes? Who knows what they are, how to make them, what they can do? What wizard would make a Horcrux? Under what circumstances? And for what reasons? And why are they so evil? Hermione is working very hard to answer these questions. As Hogwarts virtual library search-engine, she is coming up empty. But Tom Riddle did it, somehow.
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Akshat - If destroying a horcurx is the same as ing a person, would destroying two of that person's horcruxes mean that you had committed two s? Or just one? And if you continued to destroy that person's horcruxes, would you keep committing multiple s of the same person? Is that possible? Destroying one of Voldemort's horcruxes not ensure Voldemort's , since he has multiple horcruxes. So is destroying one of Voldemort's horcruxes a ? When he clearly has the potential to continue to live on? Or would it only be a if the person had just one horcrux? Or is destroying only the person's the last existing horcrux considered ? This horcrux-destruction-as- theory is a bit complicated.
Heather - What a wonderful question! In what form Dumbledore return if his horcrux is activated? How old would he be? Would it be the age at which his body d? Or the age at which he made the horcrux? Fascinating. Does Voldemort's regeneration give us any clues about how this might work?
Posted by jan-marie from new york on December 29, 2006 4:36 PM
Wow. Very interesting theory. I'm not sure whether I agree with you or not, though. I don't think J.K. Rowling would lie to readers about something like this.
If Dumbledore does have a Horcrux...when he's reborn I think he'll look the same as we remember him. Look at Voldemort's rebirth. When he realized he couldn't come back more powerful than before, he settled for his old body. I think that's what Dumbledore do if he does have a horcrux.
Posted by Angela from United States on December 30, 2006 1:10 PM
Dumbledore is not the sort of person to make a horcrux. as for Fawkes, I find it hard to believe that it is a horcrux.
Posted by Tazkia Khan from London, England on December 30, 2006 3:03 PM
I don't know exactly how dumbledore would appear if he was reborn from a horcrux which he may possibly have. I think he would take the form of his adult self.
However, my main point in an earlier post was more directed to how he would appear NOW if he was in fact a phoenix and reborn. Is he a baby? child? Will Harry know? Will the only way DD can prove to harry that it is really him be by DD's favorite flavor of jam (raspberry). and does he come back as DD or as someone else? I assume he himself remembers all former lives.
Yes, i think the fact that DD is a phoenix is possible. First of all, he was 150 years old and his partner Flamel was 600 and something. Did DD go through 3 or 4 life cylces during his friends entire lifetime? Second of all (and already stated by others) DD's seemed very similar to fawkes' and rebirth.
so maybe JKR is not lying when she says DD d. yes, he did, but.....he also maybe be back (please!)
Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Posted by Heather from New York on December 30, 2006 6:50 PM
I totally agree with the "Dumbledore made a horcrux" theroey. It makes sense with all the peoples evidence and stuff. But I'm kinda thinking about what all the people who belived he didn't make a horcux. It makes sense also. I'm confused and not sure what to belive.
but if it is true that Dumbledore did make a horcrux then whoever said that wormtail would be able to help Harry get Dumbledore back into his body could be very, very wrong. If you remember from the third book when wormtail was meeting with everyone else in the shriking shack he was scared of voldemart so he told him where lily and james potter we're hiding, so whos to say that wormtail would help Harry? he probably would be to scared to do anything that would make his master mad.
sorry if this is very hard to follow- i'm new to this but if you think about it really, really hard and you know your Harry Potter stuff this all make sense.
Posted by Jayme from Calgary, Canada on December 30, 2006 9:16 PM
IF, I repeat, IF Dumbledore made a Horcrux it would go completely against every thing he's said about and ... Even if he had made one in his youth, I think he would have desroyed it himself by now.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 3, 2007 10:51 AM
I read the first few comments at the beginning..i just thought this article is doing the unthinkable but there is one obvious flaw in your thesis:
I don't remember the exact page but when Hermione looked into the banned books section to look for horcruxes details, one demented book stated: Horcruxes, the "MOST EVIL" magic known to human beings, this book wouldn't explain..etc.
Think about it - this means making of the horcruxes is also an evil act. plus making a horcrux is against Dumbledore's usual belief - he continuously rebuked Voldemort's claim that there are more damage you can do to a person than , or is only end of one journey etc. i know i am being very vague and not making perfect sense but that's my main problem in believing Dumbledore actually made a horcrux.
Posted by bluey on January 4, 2007 04:43 AM
if fawkes is a horcrux, how dumby come back?, he do the same trick as voldy, or take possesion of fawkes? or he be visable as a ghost? what do you think?
Posted by george from the netherlands on January 5, 2007 05:09 AM
If-IF Dumbledore had a Horcrux, his consciousness would be mbod and, for lack of a better word, floating around.
Morty had Pettigrew perform spells and mix a potion of unicorn blood and snake venom to give him the body that Harry discribes as looking like a squat, deformed red-black child.
It's not until the ritual in the grave yard that Morty has a body that is strong enough to survive without constant support.
Dumbledore would be ing to undergo many hardships to safegaurd Harry and see Morty fall, but I doubt that he would do that..
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 5, 2007 08:39 AM
I recognize that it is very difficult at this point in the books to believe that Dumbledore, or any other decent wizard, would make a horcrux or even know how to make a horcrux. The little tidbits of info we have been given so far in Book 6 are meant to lead us rapidly and directly to this conclusion. But be mindful of how little information we really have about horcruxes.
1) We know that horcruxes allow a wizard to return from physical -- because his or her soul isn't ed, only the body. Dumbledore's bosy is , yes, but he can regenerate with a horcrux that contains a bit of his soul. So yes, Jo can say that Dumbledore is absolutely completely and that does not in any way rule out the possibility of a horcrux to help him generate a new living body. We've already seen it happen once with Voldemort. It can be done.
2) And we know that Slughorn not only knows what horcruxes are but is quickly ing to believe that it is natural for a gifted wizard like Tom Riddle (at this point a boy seen as an exemplary student by everyone except Dumbledore...) to want to know about horcruxes. Slughorn is only repulsed when Riddle starts talking about making a gazillion horcruxes.
3) We can probably assume that Snape is well versed in horcruxes. He saved Dumbledore from the effects of the Gaunt ring-horcrux protections quite rapidly (thank goodness!). And Snape tells the first years in Book One that he knows how to "put a stopper in " as well. I would take this to be a reference to a horcrux.
4) I am going to guess that Hermione , quite logically, decide to contact her penpal Viktor Krum to see what info can be found in the Durmstrang library re horcruxes. When this happens in Book 7 we be given a little more information about horcruxes.
5) I suggest analytical readers re-read chapter one of Book One with a critical eye as to why each and every sentence was included there. Jo has told us, on her web site, that she re-wrote that chapter a dozen times so that it would lay the foundation for the books without giving too much away. Ask yourself why, at the very start of the chapter, McGonagall even mentions that Dumbledore would never consider using dark magic? And why does Dumbledore change the subject when she does? Why doesn't he just reply, "Well, no, of course I would never use dark magic." Why does he deflect the comment and change the subject? (And further along the lines of being mindful of what we see in chapyter one of Book One, why on earth is Minerva McGonagall even spending the day at 4 Privet Drive -- why is Dumbledore amused and surprised to see her there at all? Why is McGonagall the first character we meet, ever, in the series? And why do we know so very little about her so far?)
Anyway, I digress... My point is that there have been several markers pointing to the probability that a)Dumbledore has, at some point in his past, used dark magic, b) that Snape knows how to "put a stopper in ", c) that Slughorn finds it natural that a gifted wizard would want to learn about horcruxes, d) that Hermione is still in contact with Krum, e) that we see each step of the Cauldron of Regeneration potion that Voldemort teaches Wormtail how to perform (yes, Wormtail now knows how to perform this spell/potion, with or without Voldemort's help or presence) and that perhaps Wormtail or Harry need to recall this at a later date to regenerate Dumbledore?, f) that Fawkes sighs or coos whenever Dumbledore feels a particularly strong emotion, and so on....
Oh, and one more interesting clue: On page 639 of the US edition of Half-Blood Prince, we have,
"...he (Harry) still found it difficult to believe that Dumbledore had really gone. Admittedly he had not, as he had with Sirius, looked desperately for some kind of loophole, some way that Dumbledore would come back....He felt in his pocket for the cold chain of the fake horcrux..."
Wow! Jo takes us right up to the door of the possibility that Dumbledore had a way to come back, leaves us hovering for a second or two, and then changes the subject without resolving it. What do you want to ber she's smiling?
Posted by Jan-Marie from New York on January 5, 2007 12:40 PM
jut a thought,
if, and i am saying IF, dumbledore has a horcrux, shouldnt he be stronger then voldemord in his horcrux-version becaus it is split in 2 and not in 7? can he do more stuff?
what do you think?
Posted by george from the netherlands on January 6, 2007 06:26 AM
George - thats a very good question. I think that the point wherein IF Dumbledore had a Horcrux (which i doubt) that it would definitely be Fawkes as Jan-Marie states. But it would definitely be stronger than Voldemort's since it is only split in two by the defeat of Grindlewald. So dumbledore only has 1/2 the emotions of a normal wizard and that makes sense in accordance to his calmy placid face. He hardly ever gets angry and doesn't really show much emotion. Voldemort on the other hand shows emotion (and greatly) on in the case that he is extremely happy or extremely anrgy. i'd say that Voldemort only knows 3 emotions: triumph, rage and hatred. Dumbledore knows WAY more: dissapointment(in book 2 when they crashed the car, sadness and guilt (when Harry shouted at him so fiercely).
There are many clues which point at Dumbledore having a Horcrux, but it is JKR's book and she makes what ever she wants to happen true. There is NO WAY to guess anything unless she decides to make it happen, so all we can do is to wait for the last book and beg her PLEASE not to Harry.
I have reason to believe that Harry is in mortal danger more of JKR than Voldemort. (lol)
Posted by Anonymus from Antigua, W.I. on January 6, 2007 7:08 PM
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