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Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
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I think that AD is not ...and that snape is from the good side...If Snape wanted to AD, why didn't he do it on the other books? He had a lot of oportunuties...And as some of the coments said Snape is one of the characteres that AD really trusted...AD is "the only wizard that LV really feared..."I think it was to much easy for Snape to AD...it can't be really true....that's my opinion...
Posted by Ana from Portugal on September 29, 2006 11:38 AM
I can't understand one thing...Why AD was so calm when he was talking with Draco and with the others eaters (as the book says: "Think your little jokes'll help you on your bed, then? said the woman..Jokes?!no,no, just manners, said Dumbledore") and when Snape arrived he started becoming extremelly nervous?...(" For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading") eater's could him to...
Posted by Ana from Portugal on September 30, 2006 07:19 AM
Very observant Ana. I think you have a good point about what Dumbledore was really thinking. I think when Dumbledore does , he accept it with open arms, given the fact he is so wise and centered. But I also think that he wouldn't ever leave Hogwarts (or Harry's side) when people need him, and when people are still loyal to him. With this said, I think he is nervous because the plan he had worked so hard to create with Snape, was taking place. It is no easy task to say the AK curse while actually performing a blasting spell, all while appearing to others that you are a hardcore eater. I think Dumbledore is nervous for Snape, because the hardest task of his life is about to take place. Do you remember how Hagrid was telling Harry and the bunch in book 6, how he heard Snape and Dumbledore fighting? Snape said he wanted out... There is good reason he said that, it is because the task given to him from Dumbledore is extremely hard, he may be in a position in the end where he has NO allies, and Harry has to decide if he is good or bad...
Anyway, I think Dumbledore's nervousness is sign of worry about the plan he had with Snape, more than it is nervousness about Snape possibly ing him. Dumbledore wouldn't be frightened or nervous for , he would only be so if he knew there was something else yet to come that was more difficult.
I wanted to end my post with something I found on Wikipedia, about the Draught of Living :
The Draught of Living ... brings upon its drinker a very powerful sleep that can last indefinitely, hence its name. The potion is mentioned by Snape in Harry's very first Potions class in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. It again plays an important role as the first potion to be brewed in Professor Slughorn's N.E.W.T. Potions class during the sixth year, at which time it also noted that the potion contains sopophorous bean juice and chopped valerian root. While attempting to make the potion, Harry finds the instructions that lead to his discovery of the Half-Blood Prince.
What I got from this is, Snape is an expert at the Draught of Living , and the Draught makes someone sleep so deeply that they basically are ... I believe more and more that Dumbledore is '', but only from this Draught, and thus he can come back when Snape brews some sort of antidote potion to reverse the sleep. Actually, JK Rowling mentions Wiggenweld potion as being the potion needed to reverse the Draught of Living . We have seen tons of hints and different mentioning of the Draught of Living , yet it has never been used in the plot of Harry Potter. And if you know anything about the potions, and how often they come up directly in the plot, you porbably also find it strange that the Draught has yet to be known if it has been used....
Posted by Brett J. from Boulder, CO on September 30, 2006 09:55 AM
I had never thought of the idea that Snape loved Lily Potter... but it seems very interesting, as love is a steady motive in all of the books and Dumbledore always mentions it's the greatest power - so it could be the reason he trusts Snape 100%. For my part, I believe Dumbledore's alive, there are too many hints that would just make no sense if I just d. The only thing that always kept me wondering was the unbreakable vow, but after reading the comments I also believethat it wasn't about ing Draco Dumbledore - Voldemort would never have expected that from him. I rather think it was about leatting the -eaters in that night, as Draco was busy preparing that eagerly all year long.
Good point that Snape could have found out about this plan with the help of occlumency and therefore sworn - and told Dumbledore who then planned to lure Harry away to the cave so couldn't stick his nose in there (as he loves to do).
Bet Snape end him fought because Snape didn't like the idea of faking D. , as that was risky and meant for him to go back to the Dark Lord and leave Hogwards.
By the way, I wouldn't believe in J.K.R. words, do you honestly think she would reveal the truth about the most highly discussed question ever after she published the books so easliy?!
Oh, and Snape's definately a good guy - I love him, think he's having a very hard time with noone trusting him.
Posted by Birte from Freiburg on October 1, 2006 3:47 PM
i read the book for the second time yesterday. a year back when i read it i think i was just too shocked to think of any clues or possibiltiy of dumbledore being alive. last night as i read the end of the book something was very unsettling. i kept thinking this couln't actually be happening and then this morning i logged on and found this site. i must say a very cool site and a lot of thought has been put. anyway, heres wat i think... dumbledore the greatest wizard couldn't have made a mistake in judging someone who lives under his nose each and everyday for years. moreover he knows and he tells malfoy that he knew wat malfoy was upto. and in the hospital everyone says that dumbledore alway said he had an iron clad reason to belive that snape is on his side. harry says cause snape felt sorry about ing his parents... even while i was totally engrossed in the book i knew that was stupid. noone in there right mind especially dumbledor would think it to be an iron clad reason.
Posted by esha from india on October 2, 2006 12:58 AM
Hi everyone, i sincerely believe that Dumbledore is alive and well and that Snape is on the good side. Dave has done an outstanding job by floating this website, I personally thank you for providing a very strong base for all the HARRY POTTER fans who were thunderstruck after reading the 6th book.
I also want to highlight a point which I came across recently that no one has mentioned yet. in the 6th book, when AD takes Harry to the cave, he brushes his hand along the walls to find the exact location of the arch, and this surprised Harry greatly, because this is the first time Harry saw a wizard performing magic by hand--- its mentioned in the book. Again, at the top of the tower, in the silvery moonlight Harry saw AD clutching his chest with his palm. and the AVADA KEDAVRA spell also hit AD "squarely on the chest". So from this I infered that AD had performed some magic and created a protective shield on his chest.
However this is only a thought and we all have to keep our fingers crossed until the 7th book is released.
I once again congratulate Dave for his splendid efforts.
Posted by DIPAYAN from KOLKATA, WEST BENGAL, INDIA on October 2, 2006 9:34 PM
I've always wondered if Dumbledore was/is an Animagus of some sort (and having looked through various websites, I'm not alone – though I suspect this theory has already been quashed by the author). If he isn’t an actual Animagus (or similar, as of yet unmentioned ‘wizarding’ classification) then perhaps his transfiguration ss would enable him to transform himself into another creature?
Dumbledore has always appeared to have a close relationship with Fawkes the phoenix and Fawkes has proved his loyalty to Dumbledore on more than one occasion. Is there more to this relationship than meets the eye? For example what better creature to transform into than a phoenix?
As a phoenix has regenerative/healing qualities (rising from the ashes/tears etc) is it possible that if Dumbledore were able to change into a phoenix, that he would also be able to inherit their useful abilities as well? For example how many other creatures have been able to ‘regenerate’ after being stuck by a ing curse?
Apart from the obvious benefits, it would also be a handy cover as I imagine Fawkes would often be in Dumbledore's office when he is apparently not. Obviously Dumbledore was/is an extremely powerful wizard, more than capable of hiding himself or ensuring his office/study would remain secure in his absence, but if he wished to maybe learn something, changing into a phoenix and then posing as Fawkes would be an ingenious ploy.
With respect to Dumbledore’s , J.K. has stated that Dumbledore is , but is he for ever? Even in the ‘Muggle’ world, people are considered and for a short period of time they may be, but then they wake again. Is it not possible that Dumbledore could and then ‘reawaken’? Perhaps his ‘connection’ with Fawkes or the phoenix in general may have saved him, or at least prevented a permanent demise.
Perhaps (and please forgive this controversial theory) Dumbledore was able to come up with an alternative to a Horcrux? If there was one wizard (apart from Voldemort) who could come up with a solution, one that would prevent ; then under the right circumstances, for the right reason would Dumbledore perhaps transfer his soul? I’m not suggesting he split it, like Voldemort, but perhaps Dumbledore found a way to relocate his soul in another person/creature/object, at the very moment of his apparent ?
Maybe Dumbledore allowed or instructed Snape to him because Dumbledore discovered something in himself that he couldn’t live with. Perhaps one of the unaccounted Horcruxes was hidden inside Dumbledore. If you were a Dark wizard and wanted to hide a piece of your soul, where safer to conceal it, than in arguably the only other wizard in your league? Then, when the time came (and I’m sure in Voldemort’s mind it would) he could then Dumbledore and still retain the fragment of his soul that remained in his own body, plus his major opponent would be gone. However, what Voldemort may not have counted on was Dumbledore voluntarily leaving behind, what he perceived to be, his vulnerable students and precious Hogwarts. By departing earlier than expected, perhaps Voldemort’s plans/goals have suffered a serious setback. Perhaps there is now an element of vulnerability concerning the remaining Horcrux, perhaps the prophesy holds further secrets, perhaps Voldemort has niggling doubts about being able to Harry once and for all and perhaps there is a limit to how many Horcruxes can be created and how many times a soul can be split by one wizard, regardless of their power.
Of course these are just my own thoughts and I imagine that there are many people out there with a far greater knowledge than myself, regarding the world of Harry Potter, who be able to explain why these theories couldn’t possibly materialise. Perhaps Dumbledore really is truly , but it’s a lot nicer thinking of reasons why he’s not.
Posted by Damien from Plymouth,UK on October 5, 2006 12:11 PM
Let me shine some light on this- Please read these quotes from JKR's site:
"What form does Dumbledore’s Patronus take?
Good question. Can anyone guess? You have had a clue. There was a little whisper there. It is a phoenix, which is very representative of Dumbledore for reasons that I am sure you can guess."
" Does the animal one turns into as an Animagi reflect your personality?
Very well deduced, Narri! I personally would like to think that I would transform into an otter, which is my favorite animal. Imagine how horrible it would be if I turned out to be a roach! "
Ok, so basically we KNOW Dumbledore's patronous is a phoenix, since he is representative of a phoenix. Animagi people transform into an animal that fits them, and that they represent. I can think of no better animal for Dumbledore...
We know DD is one of the strongest, wisest, and most powerful wiazrds, so we basically know he can transform into an animal. I think it would be contradicting to the rest of the story if DD couldn't transform into a phoenix.
Damien, you raise a great point about a horxruc being "inside someone," but I think it is actually inside Harry, not DD.
Doesn't anyone else have a problem with the fact that an AK curse can't be performed unless the wizard hated his target? I really doubt Snape hates DD...
Really good question about gaining the animal's ability that you transformed into. I mean, I always thought you could to an extent, but you raise a great point about DD actually being able to eat a AK curse, like Fawkes did in the 'Chamber'.
Posted by Brett J. from Boulder, CO on October 5, 2006 6:08 PM
I have a theory but im not sure that it's right. Ok, well going back to the third book, remember how Harry and Hermione go back in time using the Time-Turner and they save Sirius Black and the Hypogriff? Buckbeak? Buckbeak was already at the time, and by going back in time, they saved him, and he didn't really at all. If Dumbledore is really, truly , is there any evidence that even if you are ed by the Avada Kedavra, you can't be saved by using the Time-Turner? Why cannot Harry and Hermione once again go back in time, under the invisibility cloak, and disarm Draco instead of Draco disarming Dumbledore? =S i dont know... think about it.
Posted by Bronson from Sydney, Australia on October 5, 2006 8:37 PM
No, sorry Bronson. First, JKR herself said DD cannot be saved from the time turning machines. Secondly, all the time-turners were destroyed in the Ministry, when Harry went to "save Sirius". So, this theory has already been debunked by JKR herself... Sorry, but it is a great theory, one which I'd like to believe...
Posted by Brett J. from Boulder, CO on October 6, 2006 2:17 PM
Ok for clue 4, that would not work. the desription for the "Expelliarmus!" curse is a SCARLET light. When Snape "ed" Dumbledore J.K. Rowling wrote there was a GREEN light. it's all in the book. so i have evidence
Posted by Alexis from Atlanta,Georgia on October 8, 2006 3:32 PM
Yes, the color of the light is wrong, but everything else fits. We just don't know enough about how magic works to say "for sure" that the light issued by a spell is always the same color.
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on October 8, 2006 4:07 PM
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