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Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
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It is Professor Dumbledore who casts the "Freezing Charm" the moment the door opened and Draco shouted "Expelliarmus"!
It is not clear if he used his wand or an "Non-verbal" spell. I rather suspect it was the second - simply so that whoever arrived, would not guess that Dumbledore was not alone!
Snape did not "freeze" Harry in the first place because he was still in his office or on his way to the Astronomy Tower!
The "Freezing Charm" would automatically be lifted,i f we believe that Dumbledore d at Snape's hand's. Accepting the theory that Dumbledore and Snape had a "top-secret plan between them, it was as you say, Snape who lifted the Charm.
Snape did not see Harry under the Invisibility Cloak, but used Legilimency while looking at Dumbledore.
Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on January 28, 2007 09:44 AM
Mistral - how do you know this for sure?
"It is Professor Dumbledore who casts the "Freezing Charm" the moment the door opened and Draco shouted "Expelliarmus"!
I don't believe it is explicitly written in the book that it was Dumbledore (I don't have a book with me right now, so I cannot double-check it).
I was thinking that JK (who knows how many HP sleuths are out there) in her sneaky writing style would allow us to come to the conclusion that Dumbledore must be because the spell binding Harry is broken w/ Dumbledore's supposed . In addition, I agree that it wasn't Sanpe, however, I have another guess. Where has Dobby been? He was suppose to be following Draco's every move (per Harry's instructions). Could he have know Draco was headed for the Tower and beat him there & he is the one who imobilized Harry. We know that house elves have strong magical powers & that Dumbledore has a lot of respect for them. Perhaps Dobby was even working with Dumbledore on his plan.
Posted by AJ from Pennsylvania on January 29, 2007 09:36 AM
Jo would not lie to mislead her public, however she WOULD tell you the truth to mislead you...in other words, sorry but DD IS DEAD...she said it, she is the author of the cannon, please get on with things and accept it, it make things much easier for your logic if you do.
With that being said you must consider the following quote, one of my favorite:
"To the well organized mind, is but the next great adventure." Dumbledore (thanks Jo that is very spiritual and very uplifting!)
DD is on his next adventure. However since the adventure his students are currently on is not finished I am sure there are things that he influence in Book 7, either directly, or indirectly. Obviously he can speak to McGonagall or even Harry through a painting, or through a variety of things. The time tuner is also a possibility, and I am sure since the 3rd movie is said to have some foreshadowing the concept might return.
Please consider some of the following...
1. He was the former transformation teacher, like McGonagall, who is an Animagus. Jo puts in lots of references to unregistered Animagus, so I would believe quite possibility that he is a Phoenix. This means he truly DID and be "reborn" in the ashes...if he was a Phoenix. This would not surprise me in the least with DD's tendency to be a bit of a critic of the Ministry and a bit of a hellion in his earlier days.
2. Snape was very angry at DD in the last few chapters of Book 7. This can only mean that DD was requiring him to do something he did not want to do. ing him could fall under that category. However, much as I do not think DD would want Draco to become a er, why would he force Snape into committing an act so unforgivable such as that? This would be committing Snape to a life long sentence at Azkaban. If Harry's father would not wanted his best friends to be ers, why would DD. Also consider that to use an unforgivable curse you have to want to do it, you have to be able to do it. There has to be hatred in you...Snape's ing of DD proves he had evil in him...sorry it really does.
2. Snape I believe at the end, I hope redeeming himself in some way, but I think Jo has backed herself into a corner here with no where else to go but to him off. But not before a few things are resolved. I believe that he might have loved Lilly...and I believe that is the proof DD was counting on to show that he had changed. I believe there is more to his relationship that what we have seen so far. I also think that his mother, Eileen Prince, must have known Voldy, because they were in the Hogwarts at about the same time and possibly even the same house. This be resolved in book 7, I am certain of it from how Jo described Book 7 being a real sequel to book 6.
Posted by Sarah from Murrieta, Ca on January 29, 2007 1:43 PM
AJ: Very smart of you to ask this question! Naturally it could have been Dobby who cast the spell to "freeze" Harry!
This comment raises a smile from me, because if you go back to page Ten "New Revelations" you read that I had already assumed that Dobby was on the "Astronomy Tower" that night.
I suppose it is this paragraph from HBP Chapter Twenty-Seven which lets us believe it was Dumbledore: Quote:
"Then, by the light of the Mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts and understood....Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilized Harry, and the second he had taken to perform the spell had cost him the chance of defending himself."
Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on January 29, 2007 1:52 PM
I have gone through endless theories with regards to Dumbledore and his in HBP, no matter how many times I read the book Dumbledore never 'feels' right and the scene just makes no sense - especially not as a . All that time Dumbledore sits there conversing with Draco and not once does he say (or even with a non verbal spell) 'accio wand' - how simple would that be!
My first theory was Dumbledore and Slughorn switching places with polyjuice potion, my main reasoning behind this was that seriously annoying 'Oho!' expression Slughorn uses, then lo and behold Dumbledore is using it in the cave.
But then JK Rowling said Dumbledore is definitely .
So then came theory two, if Dumbledore is definitely that is ok, because there is more than one person called Dumbledore, Albus and his brother Aberforth (if I get the spelling correct). We don't know much about Aberforth, but we do know that in HBP Harry sees him in Hogsmeade but through 'rain washed glasses' and he is described as tall and thin - just like Albus, perhaps they look more alike than any of us know. Oh, and slightly off topic, when Harry does see AD in Hogsmeade he is conversing with Mundungus - a Mundungus who has just emptied half the contents of 12 Grimmauld Place, a place most likely to be hiding THAT locket, and when Harry walks over AD pulls his cloak tighter around his neck and walks away... Anyway, we know nothing about Aberforth, apart from him being a bit dodgy so it is possible that Aberforth owed Albus a life , or was from an illness (and Snape can put a stopper in ) and, well - there are many possibilities but it would result in the same.
There is one further theory I can offer. JKR was concerned in the film version of PoA that there were too many clues and that it would give away the entire plot. Two things stood out for me in the film, firstly the fact that Snape places himself between Harry, Ron, & Hermione and the oncoming Lupin in werewolf form, therefore suggesting Snape would have d to save those three. In the book of course he is out cold and this does not happen. The second thing that stood out for me was the whole time turning, time travel bit. Dumbledore does not time travel, so he only lives his day once - yet on the one and only time he is at Hagrid's hut awaiting Buckbeak's execution HE KNOWS that Harry and Hermione are there and he plays for time to allow the events to take place. So Dumbledore can see into the future? Dumbledore knows how to meddle with time and Dumbledore knows how to go into the past and change a series of events that have a positive effect for the future. Without Dumbledore's interference Buckbeak, Sirius, and Harry would have d that night - and quite possibly Ron & Hermione too. So, Dumbledore is - yes, Dumbledore from the future who uses a time turner to travel back (perhaps after the final battle?) and sacrifice his life, change the past to have a positive effect on the future. Possible?
I know the entire collection of time turners were destroyed at the ministry - but I don't know what happened to the one Hermione returned to McGonagall, and neither do I know if Dumbledore owns one of his own.
Posted by Orlando from England on January 29, 2007 3:56 PM
maybe dumbledore himself is a eater and snape realized it and ed him. just remember, in book one dumbledore - the greatest wizard - however did not realized real personality of quirell and let him in to Hogwarts with Voldemord, and even thought he always keep an eye upon Harry however Dumbledore was not with Harry - alwasys been in Ministry - while Harry wss fighting againist Voldemort. As far as i am concerned there is one more person who knows Dumbledore is a Eater, RAB. He realised it and however he forseen Voldemort would request this Horcrux to Dumbledore. He prepared a posion that has a speciality for Dumbledore. If not, Dumbledore - the greatest wizard - should have found an anti-posion or bezoar but he was not.
Posted by Santiago Joaquin from Spain on January 29, 2007 5:48 PM
i like the idea of the pheonix animagous thing but i really belive dumbledore is i mean he was getting weaker all along in the sixth book his reactions werent as fast and instead of disabling harry he could have made himself go invisible and then disable harry it just doesnt add up. i truly however belive that snape is a goo. i belive he ed dumbledore on his own orders as snape needed to carry on working for voldermort and he knew that it was harry who needed to go on not him.
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Posted by Abz legge from france on January 30, 2007 01:07 AM
I think Dumbledore kept Draco talking to stall for the arrival of Snape, so he could at Snape's hand according to some plan of Dumbledore's. Maybe the timing was not what Dumbledore would have wanted, but he knew it was coming. He knew what Draco's orders were from Snape, he had a reason for playing along. But all along he was giving Draco a chance to redeem himself and save his parents. Draco is not really a er, though Voldemort wants him to be, and expects him to be able to Dumbledore, the greatest wizard of all time and the only one that Voldemort fears. One difference between Dumbledore and Voldemort is the ability to see the best in people and give them second chances to be honorable and do the right thing. Voldemort rules by fear and uses people until they are no longer necessary to him. Dumbledore took a chance on Snape (I believe in a Good Snape), and his trust paid off. Now he has a loyal servant who can go to Voldemort as a double agent.
Posted by Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts on January 30, 2007 06:37 AM
I do agree that Dumbledore's was planned, it was very late when I posted last night so my brain was only working in fits and bursts:o)
What I meant, in a not very well expressed manner, was (in the 3rd theory) that DD planned the , but it was not necessarily 'present' Dumbledore and could be 'future' Dumbledore.
There is so much more to Dumbledore and I think we sometimes run in circles trying to suss him out. Oh roll on Book 7!
Posted by Orlando from England on January 30, 2007 11:44 AM
I know what you mean, sometimes I feel a Confounding Spell has been worked on me.
I reserved my copy of book 7 today. I can't risk finding something out before I get a chance to read it. I might have to go into seclusion once I have it.:)
Posted by Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts on January 30, 2007 5:55 PM
Dumbledore is . Other than the obvious evidence such as JK says so, why do I believe this?
1) Dumbledore did not fear : In book 1, Dumbledore says something like "To the well trained mind, is but the next great adventure." When speaking of Flamel. Therefore, he would not search for some way to unnaturally avoid it (ex. Elixir of Life). Also, he would not bother with some clever ruse to appear .
2) From a pure plot perspective, where would Dumbledore be when Harry fights Voldemort in the last great fight? It is easier to him than keep him from this battle by some other means within the story. Only would keep him away.
3) Dumbledore would to anything to advance the fight against Voldemort. He has always helped Harry grow in past books by allowing Harry to take on challenges himself. He is preparing Harry for the last battle that he knows that Harry must fight. His pushes Harry toward that final realization that it is all up to him. It makes Harry become a man. Dumbledore would allow himself to be sacrificed for this purpose.
4) Other plot devices have been used. Polyjuice potion? Already used by Mad-Eye story. Mystery ? Already used by Sirius story.
5) Follows with other stories. All of Harry's defenders have d. Dumbledore is next in line. Will Ron or Hermione be next?
6) Dumbledore has been wrong in the past. Dumbledore admits his errors in book 5. He knows that Harry should have been told sooner about the prophecy. He asks Mad-Eye to keep an eye on Harry in book 4 even though he was a fake. Therefore, he was probably wrong about Snape. After all, the only reasons he would give Harry for his trust of Snape were very weak.
1) Speaking of Snape, how would he be a useful double-agent after ing Dumbledore? Who on the good side would believe him now? He ed Dumbledore for his own good. A Slytherin's greatest attribute is self preservation above all. He does not feel he is a coward because he risked a lot to save himself. He would not find this to be cowardly.
2) RAB could not have been Hagrid or other people in the Order. If they were, they would have told Dumbledore about the Horcruxes much sooner. Dumbledore would have been searching for and destroying them for years. He would not have waited. Also, they would not have needed Slughorn's memory as confirmation of Dumbledore's theory. Dumbledore would have known. Also, this person would have given Dumbledore the destroyed locket, and told him the location of the Horcrux. Therefore, Harry and Dumbledore would not have gone there. My thought is that RAB must be Regulus Black, and the locket is the locket they found at Sirius house (heavy locket with a thick gold chain). After all, Regulus was ed within 3 days of leaving the eaters. Someone wanted him really bad. It took them much longer to Karkaroff.
Posted by Ron from Peoria, Illinois on January 30, 2007 8:03 PM
Ron, I agree with much of what you said, which is very clever. For long I thought Dumbledore could not be , but I had to change my mind.
But I still believe that Snape is on the good side. Every move Dumbledore did was intended to weaken him: freezing Harry, not getting his wand back, and so on. And I also think that it was planned, th
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