by David Haber
These are some of the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Dumbledore is not really , or at least Snape Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, and that everything that happened that night was planned well in advance by Dumbledore himself.
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The locket could have been something convinient to leave the note in..
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on November 20, 2006 08:26 AM
I just wanted to say that the therapy has worked:). I've read HP6 now 2 times. The only problem is that I read it in Dutch, and i wanted to say 2 things about it. about the wand: in the Dutch book, when they sing the song about Odo it doesn;t say anything about a wand. It only says that they spelled his name from right to left (yes I know it's stupid). And i wanted to give you another clue (translated from Dutch): "and while he sat in the hot sun it had occured to Harry that all the people that loved him had tried to protect him: his mother, his father, his godfather and now Dumbledore. they were ready to make sure that nothing would happen to him, and now it was over."
this shows that Dumbledore might have d to protect Harry, the same way his mother and father did.
It's just a idea!
Posted by dafsy from holland on November 20, 2006 09:03 AM
I'm so glad I found this site! I was very sad when I read JKR's statement that DD was "definitely ," and I am heartened that there are so many people who still believe he's not even now!
On horcruxes: The idea that DD has a horcrux is preposterous. It is described as very, very dark magic. DD would have nothing to do with it.
On the missing text: I first read HBP in the hardcover US edition and saw the tell-tale lines that seemed to plainly foreshadow a faked . I then bought the paperback version and re-read it to try to put together more clues pointing to DD's being faked. THE LINES WEREN'T THERE! I read and re-read the conversation with Malfoy looking for it. I was just about convinced that I had remembered it wrong when I read this site. So...JKR took the lines out from the more recent release of the US edition for paperback. Why?
On the Phoenix: Interesting ideas about DD being a phoenix animagus. I'm not completely convinced, but it certainly gives you something to think about.
On Snape: I haven't read the page on Snape clues yet (that's next) but I have to wonder about whether he is really evil or not. I WANT to believe he's not. But, given that DD told Malfoy that he didn't confront him about his plans because he didn't want LV to know he suspected, he MIGHT be doing the same thing about Snape. At one point in HBP, DD looks as if he is making a conscious effort to trust Snape (p. 549 US). Or, is he trying to decide whether or not to confide in Harry? My husband likes to point to the following to suggest DD is wrong about Snape's evilness: "...as I have already proven to you, I make mistakes. In fact, being - forgive me - rather cleverer than most men, my mistakes tend to be correspondingly huger." (HBP, p. 197 US) There seems to be evidence both ways, which is what JKR wants, I'm sure. But, if I had to guess what it was that DD had as "proof" of Snape, I would guess that it was a memory of some kind.
Posted by Karen from California on November 20, 2006 4:11 PM
I think if the pensive is bequeathed to Harry, there may be memories and perhaps even messages form DD. I also do not think we have seen the last of Faulks...
I don't believe loyalty ends when a person s....
" I only be truely gone when there are none here still loyal to me."
I, like Harry, am Dumbledoor's man, through and through.
I also believe, the current Head Misteress, remain loyal to DD ideals.
I don't know if she take over leadership of tOotP, but I'm sure they remain active( by they I mean the new head of the order) and some how be connected to the school.
I also believe Dumbledoors Army play a MAJOR roll in the comming showdown.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on November 20, 2006 6:40 PM
here is a question: when Hagrid was carrying Duumbledore (on to the ), if Dumbledore was alive, shouldunt Hagrid feel his heartbeat? or feel if he was breathing?
Just a thought...:)
I'm going too read more of your thoughts, they are wery exciting and cool;)
Posted by Dagnę from Iceland on November 21, 2006 12:07 PM
Well. first of all, Thanks for your fascinating comments. Well I dont think dumbledore is :-
1) just think, Is it possible for harry (ron and hermoine) to hunt and destroy the other horcruxes alone without the help of others? when the most powerful wizard like ALBUS DUMBLEDORE lost his one hand in destroying a horcrux (of the ring). what would happen to harry & co. who are not even aware of advanced DADA magic?
2)I read in comments that "Why did DD have to fake his own . He could have destroyed horcrux alone?" To this I have a answer, he might have realized that he cannot do this work single handedly as he had lost his hand in destroying ring. So he decided to take someone with him and what better than the chosen one!
Posted by KARTIK from NEW DELHI on November 22, 2006 12:36 AM
All thru the book Slughorn said "Oho!" Then, just before Dumbledore pulls the boat up out of the water in The Cave, he says "Oho." Since Slughorn had Polyjuice potion brewing in his classroom, isn't it possible Slughorn had used the potion and became Dumbledore?
Also, I think Harry himself be the remaining Horcrux and need to .
Posted by kay from philadelphia, pa on November 23, 2006 5:26 PM
i say! i think that it is dumbldores wand that is the horcrux! i dunno but its just me...either that or the dumbledor we saw was just someone using a pollyjuice potion...who knows...
Posted by anthony from washington on November 23, 2006 9:14 PM
Do you really think Dumbledore could have escaped from a marble tomb?
Posted by The skeptical Reader from Reston, Virginia on November 24, 2006 07:56 AM
We don't know very much about the mechanics of Apparation, but there's nothing in any of the books that mention a limitation of Apparation being sealed in something. So he could have easily Apparated out of the marble tomb if he was still alive.
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on November 24, 2006 08:11 AM
I really like the idea of Dumbledore, apparating out of the marble tomb and then transforming into Fawkes the Phoenix. Hmmm
but did not Hermione tell Harry (and us the reader) you cannot apparte at Hogwarts? Or did she only mean IN the school? I never gave that any thought.
Funny that Dumbledore went with Harry on foot to Hogsmeade that accursed night, where he promptly was seen by Madam Rosmerta. He told Harry to wear his Invisibility Cloak but made himself not invisible. (He told Harry in PS he did not need a Cloak to become iinvisible)
Was that part of his plan, to be seen by someone so it could be reported back to Draco Malfoy?
Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on November 24, 2006 11:28 AM
On clue #2, based on the unbreakable vow between Snape and Narcissa, Dumbledore would not have been able to save Malfoy and himself remain alive, because then Snape would have broken his vow. Either Snape or Malfoy had to Dumbledore...so that invalidates your theory.
That is assuming that Dumbledore knew of the unbrekable vow (which, if his offer was legitimate, he did not) which then takes us to the big argument of "is Snape good or bad".
I agree with most of what you have said thus far, but #2 is very far-fetched.
Posted by Michael R Brant from Chula Vista, California on November 25, 2006 4:23 PM
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