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Why did Dumbledore have James' cloak?
by David Haber
On a new post on her official web site, J.K. Rowling admitted she made a mistake in New York when she was asked, what question have you never been asked that you ought to have been asked? She now says the question should have been, Why did Dumbledore have James' invisibility cloak at the time of James' death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?
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but if the invisibillity cloak is really a horcrux then James potter had to someone and the books dont say that James has ed someone so i dont think that it is an horcrux
Posted by nedim islamovic from belgium on January 6, 2007 07:05 AM
I don't know why Dumbledore had James' cloak. But why in the world would anyone think that Harry is a descendant of Godric Gryffindor? (That was mentioned in the original article.) The Sorting Hat told Harry he'd be GREAT as a Slytherin, almost tried to push him toward it. And did anyone see how truly horrible Harry's father was to Snape? That's pure Slytherin, that is.
Posted by Mel from Maine on January 6, 2007 12:39 PM
There's no way! The book Harry used to look up horcruxes was in the restricted section and even that only had like a sentence about it! It's CLEAR that horcruxes are dark magic, therefore someone like James, Godric, or Dumbledore wouldn't be using it. Dumbledore referred to as "life's next great journey," would he really be so scared of it, then, as to make a horcrux? I seriously doubt it!
Posted by rachel from Virginia on January 7, 2007 1:25 PM
Dumbledore said that Voldemort liked trophies of powerful people. I'm sure he didn't think that James was in that category and so would not make a horcrux out of the cloak. I think that people are jumping to the conclusion that since the sword is the only think known remaining of Godric Gryffindor, that maybe the cloak was once his and therefore James and Harry are decendents. I think that if Dumbledore was given the cloak because it was an article of Gryffindor, I think Dumbledore would have inspected the cloak to see if it was a horcrux. At the very least he would have mentioned it to Harry, just in case.
I think the cloak was given to Dumbledore for another reason that as yet has not be revealed.
Posted by Chris from Albany, NY on January 7, 2007 4:58 PM
Your response to my thoughts on Horcruxes is appealing. After all how is love going to enable Harry to defeat L.V. except perhaps by the love born out of friendships with others. Perhaps a friendship with Krum.
Having said this I feel we're being too liberal with our theories on horcruxes. As if peices of souls can be found in any notable object.
If this were true then it would diminish the uniqueness of Voldemort's quest for immortality. Also it should be then obvious to the wizarding powers that be that Voldemort would be the kind to make a horcrux and aurors would have been in search of it all these years.
I think that the Ministry of Magic doesn't even have a clue about Vodemort's horcruxes. And I don't think horcruxes are being taught anywhere. Slughorn did know something about horcruxes [though he said he did not know how to make one] and I suppose there could be more people to provide Harry with info on Horcruxes [such as R.A.B.]. But for the most part Harry have to feel his way through alone.
It's o.k. He's done it so many times before.
Posted by Mikey from New Jersey on January 7, 2007 9:23 PM
I don't think just knowing how to make a Horcrux would automatically inspire some one to make one. tears the soul, but I can't imagin what ever spell or ritual required to remove a piece of ones soul would be pleasant or even painless.
In fact, I'd be ing to bet a kidney stone would be down right enjoyable by comparision.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 8, 2007 06:02 AM
I figured out last week-end that, although it seems farfetched, Dumbledore first "joke" might not be one. At the very beginning, McGonagall asks Dumbledore whether he could remove Harry's scar. He says he can't and even if he could, he would not because scars are useful. Then, he uses a parallel with a scar above his knee that would be useful to him, for it's a map of London Underground.
I did not realize at the time how absurd this was, provided that Dumbledore does not travel with the Underground and can probably anywhere get a map would he need to.
Then, if it's not a complete joke, it tells us something:
1) Harry's scar is useful (maybe more than we have seen, up to now)
2) it works like a map
3) and Dumbledore knows much about it.
Although the scar does not look like a treasure map, it might help to find something hidden somewhere in the "underground".
Just think to what a scar stands for: visible trace of an ancient wound. No more, but no less.
Posted by hl from strasbourg, france on January 8, 2007 07:55 AM
Hl from Strassbourg
This was an exellent train of thoughts about Harry's scar. On McGonagall's place, I would have asked also for the removal of the "scar". For the simple reason, that Harry would not always be reminded of that fateful night!
Dumbledore's argument that a "SCAR" can come in handy, has already proven true. Were it not of Harry's and Voldemort's connection through the scar, Mr.Weasley would have d that night when NAGINI attacked him in the Ministry of Magic.
In the "Half-Blood Prince" Harry has never felt the scar hurting him, due to Voldemort applying OCCLUMENCY. This change eventually in "ly Hallows" as Harry goes in search of the Horcruxes and Lord Voldemort.
I visualize that the "SCAR" betray Voldemort as did the one Ring Gollum! Bound to the destroying of LV's Horcruxes one after the other so to say, LV may loose control of his capacity to posses Harry!
As you pointed out, Dumbledore must have recognized the scar's value. Alas, he never told Harry the relevance of his "London Underground scar"!
Posted by Mistral from Z�rich, Switzerland on January 8, 2007 09:54 AM
Perhaps Snape was under the cloak, and for somereason either couldn't stop the s, or maybe arrived too late. This could explain how the cloak came to be in Dumbledore's possession and also why Snape seems to always protect Harry, even though he's had plenty of chances to get rid of him, maybe he feels guilty. Maybe this also relates to Snape not liking being called a coward by Harry. Perhaps there is more to be revealed in Snape's pensieve, JKR did say bk 7 was like it had been split in half from bk 6.
Posted by Morgan McLeod from Sth Australia on January 9, 2007 03:51 AM
I think that Dumbledore had James' cloak then, for the same reason Bode (I think that was his name) had Moody's cloak in OotP, the Order was taking it in turns to gaurd the prophecy.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 9, 2007 06:30 AM
In HBP Harry is forcing Dumbledore to drink the potion from the basin. Dumbledore has collapsed. Let�s consider for a moment that Dumbledore, at this point, is not aware of his surroundings. Let�s consider that his mental state is elsewhere, possibly reliving an event from the past. So when he speaks he is not actually responding to what Harry has stated, Harry just assumes that he is. If we take Harry out of the picture and go entirely into the mind of Dumbledore at the time this is what the dialog would be like.
�I don�t want�don�t make me�don�t like�want to stop�No�I don�t want to�I don�t want to...let me go�make it stop, make it stop�no, no, no, no, I can�t, I can�t, don�t make me, I don�t want to�It�s all my fault, all my fault�Please make it stop, I know I did wrong, oh please make it stop and I�ll never, never again�Don�t hurt them, don�t hurt them, please, please, It�s my fault, hurt me instead�please, please, please, no�not that, not that, I�ll do anything�no more, please, no more�I want to ! I want to ! Make it stop, make it stop, I want to ! KILL ME!�
This sounds as if someone is using the Imperious Curse to make him do something. It also sounds like he is trying to protect someone. Could it be Lilly and Harry? If so, that would put Dumbledore at Godric's Hollow the night of the attack. Others have speculated that he was there using the invisibility cloak.
But there are some problems with this. First off, Albus Dumbledore would not need James' invisibility cloak, as he can turn invisible himself. Second, he would not be begging someone that was trying to use the imperious curse on him. He would simply brush that off. Finally, he would not beg someone to him. He would simply fight to the .
That tells me that the memory wasn't Albus Dumbledore's memory. If it wasn't his memory then it wasn't him that took Harry to get the Horcrux and it wasn't him that was attacked and ed by Snape. That would mean that Albus Dumbledore is not .
But there is a problem with that as well. You see, JK has stated perfectly clear that Dumbledore is . Flat out. He not be coming back. But let's look at what she did NOT say. She did not say that Albus Dumbledore is . She only said Dumbledore is . Well, as luck would have it, there is another Dumbledore that she may have been talking about, Albus' brother Aberforth.
Now we get into an interesting theory. If it was Aberforth that was ed and it was his memory that we heard, then there would be a perfectly good reason for Dumbledore to have James' Invisibility cloak. He would have needed it for his brother to use.
Posted by Michael Brinkley from Oceanside Ca on January 9, 2007 10:42 AM
I think that Dumbledore had the cloak because the person that was using it was Snape. This is the only thing that makes sense. Snape told Voldemeort about the prophecy (the portion he had heard) and may have followed him to the Potters house. He did not know who Volldemort was going to choose (the Longbottoms or the Potters). When he saw voldemort the Potters he realized the he had caused the of the only person he loved, ie Lilly. He probably then felt remorse and went to Dumbledore and told him what had happened and gave him the cloak. He may have made an unbreakable vow, at his own insistance, with Dumbledore to protect Harry. This would explain not only why Dumbledore trusted Snape but why he had the cloak.
Posted by Jeff from San Augustine , TX on January 9, 2007 4:45 PM
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