Why did Dumbledore have James' cloak?
by David Haber
On a new post on her official web site, J.K. Rowling admitted she made a mistake in New York when she was asked, what question have you never been asked that you ought to have been asked? She now says the question should have been, Why did Dumbledore have James' invisibility cloak at the time of James' death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?
> Read the full articlePages: << < 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 ... > >> Reader Comments: (Page 31) I answered my own question about Lilly first. I re-read the chapter in GOF where LV was regenerated. Lilly came out first and told Harry to hang on because his father was coming.The movies sometimes confuse me because they don't stick to the facts in the book. I think the movie is where I got the idea that James came out first. Wherever I got the idea from I was wrong according to the book.
About the wands, I am still confused. In the book after LV is regenerated he tells wormtail to robe him and his (meaning LV's) wand is in his pocket. Did Wormtail put it there or did Wormtail use his own wand to Cedric and regenerate LV. When the ghosts start to come out of Voldy's wand the first one is a ghost of Wormtails hand, then Cedric, Frank, Bertha, Lilly and James. It seems that Wormtail had to use LV's wand and his placing it in LV's pocket is just a detail that was left out. But, Why did the ghost of the hand vanish?
In response to hl from France. LV/Tom Riddle didn't that night, he just became some weird creature. Thats why his body didn't come out of his wand.
In conclusion my theory of James after Lilly and leaving the cloak with DD can't have anything to do with anything because it just didn't happen that way. Posted by Sandy from Atlanta, Ga. on January 3, 2007 2:00 PM
wow! you all have great ideas. especially yop. the true question is what is at godric's hollow, and what does this have to do with the cloak? i'm not sure when and i'm not sure how but i think Voldemort somehow got a hold on something of Godric Gryffindor's and lost it turned it into a horcrux (or was planning to anyway) and lost it in godric's hollow the night he ed harry's parents
or i think that the cloak is a tool that must be used to open a gateway to a time period or place we know of as the ly hallow. and this gateway must be hidden in godric's hollow. What do you think? what ever the answer is i think we've only scratched the surface of what happens in book 7. Posted by alexis penico from the kitchen!!! on January 3, 2007 6:08 PM
My take on Horcruxes.
There is only a handfull of witches and wizards who know that horcruxes exist. Even Hermione knew nothing about it.
Only a small portion of this handfull would actually know how to and be able to make an actual horcrux.
From this small portion I dare say only one person in recent history would actually do it. That would be you know who.
I don't think there are any more horcruxes [other than L.V.'s] out there.
I read somewhere that L.V. might of met up with Grindelwald and learned it from him. The time-line seems to support it. Posted by Mikey from New Jersey on January 3, 2007 8:28 PM
I think the part of Voldemort's soul that was in Riddle's body did not , but Riddle's body definitely did .
I guess Riddle has been found in Godric Hollow, I cannot see any other reason for everyone to be sure that Voldemort had really disappeared (the scar in Harry's face is not enough: Voldemort could have ed James and Lily, marked Harry and stepped away, and by the way, any Eater might have made the job).
If Riddle's body was lying down in Godric Hollow as a result from a curse coming from Voldemort's wand, then we should see it as well as Pettigrew's new hand during the Priori Incantem. Posted by hl from france on January 3, 2007 11:45 PM
Mikey,
if I could just make a quick observation.
There would be few Hogwarts trained wizards that would know about Horcruxes.
Durmstrang students, as reveiled in GoF, actually learn the dark arts, not just defence against them.
It is possible that an extreamly advanced and talented Durmstrang student(perhaps one good enough to be school champion) could know quite a bit about Horcruxes.
How to make them, how to find them and how to destroy them. Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 4, 2007 05:54 AM
Kevin, I think you are very right about the Durmstrang students knowing about horcruxes. JKR wrote on her website that we see Victor Krum again so maybe Harry ask for his help (or he'll ask Hermoine to ask).
Posted by Chris from Albany, NY on January 4, 2007 4:41 PM
Great idea about Vicktor knowing about horcruxes. I had forgotten that his school actually teaches dark arts.
hl from France, You have a good point. Why would people think LV was or transformed (whatever happned to him) if they didn't see his body? I had never thought about that either. I love this site you all give me so much to think about. Thanks! Posted by Sandy from Atlanta, Ga. on January 4, 2007 8:20 PM
hl&Sandy;
As to there being no mention of Morty's body, since Aunt Petunia said that Lilly had gotten herself "blown up" when she was talking to Hagrid in COS, I always assumed that for some reason the bos were all destroyed, presumably, when the avada' curse back fired.
I'm sure had the body of Morty been found it would have been taken by the eaters and they would have tried to resurrect thier fallen master. Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 5, 2007 09:48 AM
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Sandy
I also agree that hl from France, brought up a very good point. Exactly, how did Voldemort’s supporter KNOW that Voldemort had gone? It occurred to me that this is a question which has never been asked before; at least I think so…?
Until to this day, we don’t know for certain if Voldemort went alone to “Godric’s Hollow” or in someone’s company! Word has it, that there was indeed someone else – when JO was asked in an interview the day after HBP came out in July 2005 “Was there anyone else present in Godric’s Hollow the night Harry’s parents were ed” her answer was NO COMMENT, I am sorry.
Ironically, we have so far only Voldemort’s report on what happened on the 31st October, sixteen years ago. A place he only discovered because Peter Pettigrew betrayed the Potters. Harry is told by Dumbledore that Voldemort has never had a friend, not wanting one and pretty sure no confidant, HBP Chapter Thirteen Silver and Opals.
In that case it points to Voldemort arriving ALONE at Godric’s Hollow – not for one moment do I believe that he wanted ANY witnesses, of him ing Lily, James and Harry! Let alone, watching him make a HORCRUX…….!
That does not shut out, what many of us believe, that there WAS anybody, this being Severus Snape. JO has only declined that Snape was NOT under the Invisibility Cloak. Are we downright sure that Snape is not an unregistered Animagus? If the Marauder’s got away with it, I’d say it would have been a bagatelle for Snape to hide that “little” secret! Since Voldemort did not mention Snape at the graveyard (see GoF), we can assume that he had NO idea that Snape was at Godric’s Hollow.
What I am beginning to believe is this scenario; Snape was indeed at Godric’s Hollow that tragic night but what exactly happened at Halloween’s night, I can only speculate about.
Maybe Snape saw Voldemort’s “ body” and believed him gone for good. Was it not Dumbledore who told Harry that he did not believe that Voldemort told his DE about his horcurxes? That would explain why Snape said to Bellatrix that he believed the DARK LORD had vanished. On the other hand if Snape is on “the good side” it was the perfect answer to DE Bellatrix!
I wonder if Bellatrix Lestrange knew about the Horcruxes. While at Spinner’s End, she brags about that Voldemort “shares everything with her”, calling her his most loyal, his most faithful – and is then interrupted by Snape. She then goes on and I quote: The Dark Lord has, in the past, entrusted me with his most precious – and is this time interrupted by her sister Narcissa.
If she really knew about a/the Horcrux/es, this could be the motivation, going after Neville’s parent’s Alice and Frank Longbottom! She would have known that Voldemort was not . Too bad for her she knew nothing about Lily’s sacrifice, something not even Voldemort had foreseen! Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on January 5, 2007 10:06 AM
Personally, I think it may be that Bellatrix not only knew of at least one Horcrux, but she may have helped hide it...
I think that's what she's refering to when she says that Morty trusted her beyond all others. Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 5, 2007 11:03 AM
Well... If the cloak was a horcrux, and Harry want to bring the person who's horcrux it was... wouldn't they have to do a spell similar to what wormtail did on Voldemort? Either James or Godric, we don't know very much of their parents or whatever it is they need for that spell. As for a Voldemort horcrux, I really, really, realllllllly doubt it... But I guess we won't now until 7th book. Then there's the cloak being left with Dumbledore. Well, remember Ron saying in the first book it was worth money? Maybe that's why James left it with Dumbledore. It's just a guess (and probably a bad one, too!) but we only know when the next book comes out, or maybe even before! It's hard to tell...:) Posted by Callie from Floriduh on January 5, 2007 4:37 PM
In Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets- didn't Dumbledore make some comment about Godric Gryffindor's only known remaining relic being the sword Harry pulled out of the hat? And James had the cloak from his childhood (Dumbledore recalled him using it to sneak to the kitchens), implying it had also been passed on to him; when would Voldemort have gotten hold of it? Posted by Orbiting Quasar on January 5, 2007 7:55 PM
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