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Why did Dumbledore have James' cloak?

by David Haber

On a new post on her official web site, J.K. Rowling admitted she made a mistake in New York when she was asked, what question have you never been asked that you ought to have been asked? She now says the question should have been, Why did Dumbledore have James' invisibility cloak at the time of James' death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?

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just a thought... but we know how LV liked to collect tokens from his past...and dumbledore knew this as we also because he made a younger tom return the things he stole from the other children... and dumbledore makes that very clear because it leads to and has alot to do with the horcrux... and we also now how harrys parents had twice defied him... do we no khow exactly...? what if it had something to do with james using the cloak and LV new this... would it not make him want to get his hands on it when or if he ed james... and as dumbledore has shown us he always seems to be prepared for the worst and being the good parents lilly and james were or would have been then they would have wanted to do everything to keep harry safe and leaving that with dumbledore would have been just another precortion especially if there was something greater about the cloak... or maybe leaving it with dumbledore was because of more than just insuring extra protection for their son... i don't know what to think... i have too many ideas... i wish sometimes i had a penesieve...

Posted by bec from sydney Australia on October 28, 2006 02:47 AM

I can see where this is going, but you also have to think of the part of a horcrux that meeds to have a of someone to complete the process. I also think that you are almost reading too much into horcruxes, by finding something that could be a horcrux for anybody. another thought, would a horcrux bring someone back even after the AVADA KADAVRA curse, aka the ing curse?

Posted by erica from illinois on October 28, 2006 9:18 PM

i still think that ensuring harry had every chance of survival was why lilly and james may have left the cloak with dumbledore and myabe the cloak had more to it but i also think it was something that would be on the top of LV's list of things to collect for what ever reason he wanted to collect things... (especialy if they used it against LV) for horcrux's or just for his own plesure or for what ever reason and seeing as though dumbledore was well... dumbledore why not leave it with him... just one of my many ideas...

Posted by bec from australia on October 29, 2006 02:56 AM

I dont really know the answer to the question posed by JKR, but the cloak cannot be a horcrux due to a simple reason. All the horcruxes have magical powers, which induces an effect on those who are holding the horcruxes. When Harry had Riddle's diary with him he had the constant feeling that Tom Riddle was a very old friend and he considered the name to be vaguely familiar. Also in OOTP when they are "cleaning" 12,Grimmauld Place and they come across the locket it is mentioned that they couldnt open it (albeit this may be for some other reason), but the cloak doesnt create any effect on the person who wears it.

Posted by Antibnum from Bangalore, India on October 31, 2006 01:39 AM

I'd like to say that even though all this is speculation, and well and fun and everything... we have NO IDEA how to make a Horcrux in detail aside from ripping your soul by ing someone, intentionally or otherwise, and placing it in a vessel. All this talk about 'but this couldnt have happened because Lily d first' means nothing since we don't know when or even IF you have to prepare a recipient for the ripped soul portion BEFORE the , or you just cast a spell to direct the torn soul into some item AFTER the fact.

I'm loving reading these theories but alot of this stuff about Horcruxes is purely conjecture with no solid basis, since we don't know the details of the Horcrux-creation spell.

Anyway, even though I don't have a theory on it, perhaps we should get back to this whole 'cloak' statement by JKR...

Posted by Wayne Ecca 2 from Louisiana on October 31, 2006 3:04 PM

i don't think it is an horcruxes because if it is for someone they would have appeared from before.
but an excuse is that the same for voldy that is he couldn't find a way of returning ect.

Posted by ahmed from manama, bahrain on November 3, 2006 06:54 AM

I have the feeling that the cloak could be the key as well as the lock for something at Godric's Hollow. Alright you have to be looking through the cloak to see right? Maybe it acts a filter, so that something invisible becomes visible. Maybe that something is intangible and located at GH. I'm supposing that is why James left the cloak in Dumbeldore's care. Now the Potter house that we saw in the movies looked pathetically muggle. None of the other magical family houses are similar. Do you suppose the "real" house or door to the real house is still there? Possibly a door that a real Griffendore could open.

Posted by Edward Zepeda from Austin, TX on November 3, 2006 08:38 AM

Hi All! I am currently re reading the books in order (more carefully this time) and found a few lines in Chamber that I thought were interesting. The first one stands out not only for it's content but for the way it is placed on the page. It is located at the very top of page 159 in the Amer. hard cover edition. The title of the chapter sits directly over it ~ the chapter is called "THE WRITING ON THE WALL" hmmm... and the line is "They could've had the key to the Chamber of Secrets for centuries!" said Ron. "Handing it down, father to son..."
Hmmm... OK, maybe it's nothing, but it kinda seems like a slippery little clue....Maybe this is some sly hint about the cloak. There have been lots of comments on this site about the cloak being some sort of "Key" to Godric's Hollow.
The previous page (158) has another couple of lines I would like to bring up. This is in reference to Malfoy but the 'foul rat face' belongs to some one else in the next book. "Of course I am!" said Ron "You heard him - 'You'll be next, Mudbloods!' - come on, you've only got to look at his foul rat face to know it's him -"
The last thig I'll bring up is on the same page, Percy is upset at Ron when he sees him coming out of the girls bathroom, looking for clues. He threatens him and then takes 5 points from Gryffindor. I thought this was a little bit of foreshadowing about the future of the Weasley's relationship.
Anyway...what I'm trying to say is that there seem to be a lot of hints dropped in this chapter, maybe some we don't even know are important yet. I thought that the title of the chapter "The Writing on the Wall" was fishy (this time around, anyway!)
There are several more...I could go on! Just read this chapter again, It's really interesting!

Posted by tracy on November 4, 2006 07:27 AM

Now THIS is an interesting story element to speculate with. Why did JP leave the cloak w/ AD. I thought about it before, but only in passing. I always just assumed it was because he (James) wanted it to be kept safe for Harry since he would definitely eed it at times.

Apparently that was only part of the reason. With JKR admitting there is a crucial element to the story, it must go beyond just the above mentioned reason.

As for the horcrux thing...I don't buy it. I remain in firm belief that the only character to create these is LV. They are evil through and through.

I have only read through the first page of comments on this take a while to go through all 260...but it be interesting to see if there are any that I may agree with. I don't have a theory myself at this time. I just read this for the first time just now...I didn't know JKR had said this. Very interesting indeed.

But it is non-horcrux related. On that much I am certain.

Posted by David from Chicago, IL on November 4, 2006 11:11 AM

I also support the idea that the Invisibility Cloak could be the KEY to enter of Gothric�s Hollow, either the village or the ruins of the house where Lily and James lived.

As we know from JO�s Website it is very crucial why Dumbledore had �James� Cloak�. I gave it a very thoroughly thought and it made my head spinning. What do we know about James�s ?
1. He is
2. He d first and did not have a choice like Lily (we know that from THE INTERVIEW with JO)
3. Voldemort boasts that he was the one (GoF) to James
4. We do NOT see James in the movie version of �The Philosopher�s Stone� though we know that JO was in contact with Chris Columbus especially about that scene.

What does that tell us? I mean Harry�s father is after all an important character in the series. We are always told Harry looks like his father (I know, and has his mother�s eyes..) Snape hates him still after sixteen years have gone by! Really, I find this odd, because it was after all, Sirius Black, who played Snape a nasty trick. Harry�s father saved him from sure or being infected by the Werewolf (Lupin) (I have my own opinion on that, see Snape Clues)
What I find strange is Dumbledore�s word choice �Your father left this in my possession before he d. It is time it was returned to you�.
IF it is true and Voldemort ed James, I am sure he used the AVADA KEDAVRA curse. So whoever was/went to Gothric�s Hollow found James , because as we all know the curse s on the spot. So why write:..before he d? Should the above speculation be correct, James left the Cloak with Dumbledore for that reason sometime before Voldemort arrived at Gothric�s Hollow.
Since Dumbledore was not the Potter�s Secret Keeper, he could not enter the house and with the Cloak it would have been possible!

But what if James did not in Gothric�s Hollow? Is it just a coincidence that we do not see him in the movie? Do we know for sure that it is JAMES voice we hear in Harry�s head when the Dementor�s attack him in PoA?
What if he was not there that Halloween�s night and got ed by someone else? Of course we then have to answer the question, WHO was with Lily that �accursed� night?

Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on November 5, 2006 04:29 AM

Uhh, James was definitely there with Lily the night they both d. Voldemort boasts about stepping over James' body to get to Lily... so yeah, good old LV definitely ended James' life that night, in that house, in Godric's Hollow.

Posted by Alias from LaPlace on November 7, 2006 08:37 AM

Hey, I am pretty sure James is . Mistral gives a good point though. What if when Snape told LV about the prophecy he asked LV not to Lily or James? That could have been Dumbledore's "Iron Clad Reason" for trusting Severus. ( Snape being sorry) He probably owed James a life (since he saved him from Lupin in Werewolf mode)... And that's why he would have asked LV to spare James. And when he didn't... that's why he saved Harry at the Quidditch game in Sorcer's Stone. Think about it...

Posted by Mark H from MI on November 7, 2006 6:09 PM

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