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Why did Dumbledore have James' cloak?

by David Haber

On a new post on her official web site, J.K. Rowling admitted she made a mistake in New York when she was asked, what question have you never been asked that you ought to have been asked? She now says the question should have been, Why did Dumbledore have James' invisibility cloak at the time of James' death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?

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Bart, the point of Horcruxes is that until all the pieces go, none goes. There was discussion on this too in the previous posts. So when the AK backfired of LV, it robbed him of all his bodily powers but didn't him as he the other pieces of his soul were safe and sound. So you don't actually 'use' a Horcrux to regenerate. There was the potion and the bone of the father, flesh of the servant and blood of the enemy for that.

Well, Bart I don't think you can prepare a Horcrux vessel beforehand as there has to be a ripped soul to make that vessel a Horcrux. Without committing a first, you can't rip you soul, and thus can't peform the Horcrux spell beforehand. All you can do beforehand is collect such an object, bring it with you to the place of and maybe put a curse on it or two for protection. The spell has to be performed after the .

Posted by Aditi Dani from Nagpur, India on October 13, 2006 11:41 PM

To Bart and Dave: Bart, you had asked why Harry couldn�t have just summoned the golden egg in the first task of the TriWizard Tournament. Remember what happens when Dumbledore and Harry visit the cave at the end of Half-Blood Prince and Harry tries to summon the fake locket Horcrux. It doesn�t respond to the summoning charm. So this means that there must be some kind of anti-summoning charm to prevent an object to respond to a summoning charm. This anti-summoning charm must have been put on the golden egg as well.

It might also have been breaking the rules to use a summoning charm to get the golden egg � maybe like hand ball in soccer or something. Or Harry could have used the summoning charm every time in Quidditch to catch the snitch � so it�s kind of like cheating. Even in the final task, Harry could have just used �accio� to summon the TriWizard cup, because we know it can be summoned as Harry demonstrated that in the graveyard after priori incantatem, but it would have been cheating.

Now about summoning living things � I think it is possible because Dumbledore summons Kreacher to the Dursley�s home in Half-Blood Prince (I think he might have used a non-verbal �accio�).

Posted by Javed from New Delhi, India on October 14, 2006 04:12 AM

I highly doubt that James or Godric Gryffindor made a horcrux of their own. I think that it has to be pure, evil to tear your soul to make a horcrux. I also think that these two people would not stoop to that level. Godric Gryffindor was brave and would not be afraid of . Plus, how would he know that thousands of years later that an evil wizard named Voldemort would commit so many crimes that people would call him He-who-must-not-be-named because they are afraid to use his acual name. He would've had to be heck of a seer or know heck of a seer to know this.James was a good person and I highly doubt he even knew what a horcrux was. James probably thought that it would be lost forever if he didn't give it to Dumbledore. I think that Dumbledore might have told James and Lily his plan to give Harry to the Dursley's if they were to . Then, James left Dumbledore the cloak because he knew that the Dursleys would never let Harry keep it. Last, I think that Dumbledore would have told Harry that it was a horcrux or not. It was probably just somthing James wanted to pass on for help. Sorry guys, I just think that there would be more clues than this if it had a purpose other than to help Harry sneak around Hogwarts.

Posted by Caitlin from Little Rock, AR on October 14, 2006 5:33 PM

I raelly like what Tracy and Hannah have told. Dumbledore could really be Godric Gryffindor. But Gryffindor or Dumbledore making a Horcrux seems unlikely. Like what Caitlin said, you'll have to be really evil to make a horcrux.

Posted by Poojitha from Dubai, U.A.E on October 15, 2006 07:31 AM

i dont have my book with me, but didn't Tom Riddle his father and grandparents first, then to back to school and asked Slughorn about Horcrux' obviously you don't have to prepare before hand...

also, didn't JKR say that Harry was not the "heir" of Gryffindor?

Posted by Dawn from Cleveland, Ohio, USA on October 15, 2006 4:15 PM

Hi all, great forum (the best I found)

An idea just popping up when reading your posts: what if Dumbledore had needed the cloak to give it to Neville's family and protect baby Neville? At the time, AD could not know who was the boy to whom the profecy was refering.

Posted by Fran from Sao Paulo, Brazil on October 17, 2006 12:12 PM

Fran, I think that might be possible. DD must have known that the prophecy applied to 2 boys but he didn't know which one. He must have been more inclined to think it was the Potters as he performed the Fidelius Charm and asked them to go into hiding.

So meanwhile the Potters were safe, they would not urgently need the cloak. So maybe DD took it from them to use it for Neville as DD wasn't completely sure who'd be in danger! Great theory!

Posted by Aditi from Nagpur, India on October 17, 2006 12:50 PM

Hi. I do not think anyone else said this and I have thought about it for a few weeks. I hope I didn't already post it lol =-). Dumbledore tells Harry he doesn't need a cloak to become invisible. That could mean quite a few things, possibly a Disillusionment Charm. But, I truly believe Dumbledore was simply telling Harry that he (Harry) was so obsessed with seeing his parents he didn't notice Dumbledore waiting for him. I think it was a lesson to Harry-saying to be CONSTANTLY VIGILANT (Moody). It was also saying not to be so obsessed with something you become arrogant.

Posted by Mark H on October 22, 2006 6:11 PM

what everyone is forgetting is that the potters knew voldemort was after them so James left it with Dumbledore and many other thing that i cant fit on this page

Posted by Ravenclaw Rambler from kent on October 23, 2006 1:36 PM

There is no way the cloak is a horcrux. As stated in HBP, horcruxes are very strong dark magic, and can only be created when is committed. James and Dumbledore did no such thing.

Posted by Josh from Chicago, IL on October 23, 2006 7:22 PM

I've got another thing to ponder over now. How did DD know it was the Potters LV was tracking down? Like he told Harry the prophecy applied to 2 boys; Harry and Neville. It became clear that it was infact Harry after LV chose to go to Godric's Hollow and not wherever Neville was. How did DD know that beforehand?

I know its an extremely wild probability but I'll mention it just because its running through my head. Maybe the cloak being an ancestral property of Gryffindor had some magic power or something to reveal that it was indeed Harry? Like 'some great-great-great-great-great grandson of mine vanquish the great-great-great grandson of Slytherin' (add a lot more greats to that)' Maybe James suspected some power like that in the cloak and gave it to DD to make it clear.

Posted by Aditi from Nagpur, India on October 24, 2006 12:26 AM

I don't believe that it would be a horcrux of James of Gryffindor because Dumbledore says that you can't bring anyone back from the several times to Harry.

Posted by Caroline from J'ville, AL on October 25, 2006 5:27 PM

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