Why did Dumbledore have James' cloak?
by David Haber
On a new post on her official web site, J.K. Rowling admitted she made a mistake in New York when she was asked, what question have you never been asked that you ought to have been asked? She now says the question should have been, Why did Dumbledore have James' invisibility cloak at the time of James' death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?
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Hannah, like DD said LV was still one Horcrux short when he entered Godric's Hollow to the Potters. And after that, up till his regeneration he made no Horcruxes (thanks to PI). So, that means if he didn't make anymore Horcruxes his soul is split into 6 parts only.
The Bones and Vance s happened AFTER all this. In the next book. How could their shadows have come out of LV's wand in the graveyard then?
Posted by Aditi Dani from Nagpur, India on October 9, 2006 11:01 PM
I'm standing by my earlier posts regarding Harry's Scar as a Horcrux:
As mentioned, I don't believe LV intentionally did this.
Dubmledore tells us that LV has gone farther than anyone else in creating Horcruxes. Therefore, the first rule of history applies - "Unintended Consequences" - & provides a good explanation. The old magic "love" used to protect Harry created a violent reaction when LV tried to him & could have also caused the incidental "marking" of Harry with a Horcrux. This may also serve to explain why no one suspects the scar as a Horcrux - because splitting a soul numerous times & using a human vessel had never been done so there would be no precedent. (keep in mind that JKR loves historical precedent & so many real-life tyrannists have sewn their own seeds of defeat through the unintended consequences of their actions in their blind quest for glory.)
Now, if Harry's scar is a Horcrux why would LV be determined to Harry (thereby destroying one of his own Horcruxes)? We know that LV has gone farther than anyone else creating Horcruxes -splitting his soul numerous times rather than just once. In turn, he may have accepted a "partial" life (he's so un-human now) - with having a physcial body being the most important aspect to him (which he got back in GOF). Now that he has that, he may accept the fact that he has to one of his own Horcruxes because this particular Horcrux could backfire on him & destroy him once and for all (should Harry be able to find & destroy the other missing Horcruxes). In this way, it's better for him to remain eternally partial and safe rather than risk having the Horcrux destroy him in the end. In addition, Harry/Dumbledore would never suspect Harry's scar as a Horcrux as LV wants to destroy Harry. Harry, however, in the end figure this out & sacrifice himself to destroy LV.
Finally, there is also the possibility that LV didn't or doesn't realize that the scar is a horcrux. Therefore, Harry (who may discover this in the last book) destroy the remaining missing horcruxes and then have to face LV & LV ultimately destroy himself as he s Harry & ultimately himself, in the end. This makes sense as "neither can live while the other survives" - the two are connected. This scenario also fits with the last word of the 7th book being "scar" - which was reported somewhere. Also makes sense w/ the Harry being like Lilly - sacrifice himself for the love he has for others.
One more thought - someone noted the significance of Harry's recklessness & how this coupled with his inexperience would make it extremely difficult for him to finish off LV on his own. In this way, we know Harry need the help of his friends to find the missing horcruxes & destroy them, but his face-to-face with LV be one on one, thereby making the possibility of LV having a hand in his own downfall even more plausible.
Posted by A.J. Senape from PA on October 10, 2006 06:45 AM
okay, when did James rescue Snape from drownig? I don't remember reading this anywhere. I do recall reading in one of the books, I think HBP, that James kept Snape from going to the shrieking shack to protect him from Lupin who was in there transforming into a werewolf. This is how Snape knew Lupin was a werewolf.
Posted by tonya from cordele, ga on October 10, 2006 09:49 AM
A.J, intentionally or not, LV didn't create a Horcrux without a spell. No such shadow appeared in the Priori Incantatem. Its definitely a complicated spell considering you have to someone to split your soul AND encase it in an object. Its not like like the Summoning Charm that can be done non-verbally and easily. And even if LV's really powerful, he wants his Horcruxes to be perfect. So its not very likely he did it unintentionally. Both, Harry's scar or Harry himself are unlikely to be Horcruxes.
Posted by Aditi Dani from Nagpur, India on October 10, 2006 12:17 PM
If we believe that LV intended to create a horcrux on the night he ed Lilly & James (I believe DD speculates upon this - see exact wording from the book in earlier posts on this site), then it is possible that when he ed Lilly her ancient magic of "love" create a violent counter-reaction that altered LV plans/intentions of perhaps placing the Horcrux in another object (unknown to us at this point) & the horcrux wound up in Harry while robbing LV of his physical body & destroying the Potter's home. As we know, AK ing curse alone would not have caused such a violent explosion/reaction or left a mark/scar on Harry (which we are told is from being touched by very dark magic).
Posted by AJ SEnape from PA on October 10, 2006 12:51 PM
I think the house was destroyed as part of the explosion that Peter Pettigrew caused when he framed Sirius. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but it fits in with the idea of an explosion and explains how the house was damaged. The ing curse could not do that. Or maybe the spell that kept LV alive was so powerful that the house exploded? Just thoughts...
Posted by Broomrider from Wales on October 10, 2006 1:08 PM
Are you saying that LV performed the Horcrux spell on Harry instead? But LV performed the AK on Harry, which rebounded on him due to Lily's sacrifice and robbed him of his powers but did not him as he already had other Horcruxes. If he'd indeed performed a Horcrux spell, there would have been an echo of it in the Priori Incantatem.
Posted by Aditi Dani from Nagpur, India on October 10, 2006 1:09 PM
I think AJ SEnape has explained the details of what could have happened the night the Potters were ed very succinctly. The violent reaction caused by Lily's love likely derailed the forming of the intended Horcrux causing one-sixth of LV's soul to wind up in Harry. It wasn't the Horcrux spell that was performed on Harry, Aditi, but the misdirection of that spell that caused Harry to end up with LV's soul-in other words, his scar.
I believe we learn in Book 7 what was really intended to be the Horcrux that housed the sixth part of LV's soul. It may still be there in the ruins if they still exist.
As for the Horcrux spell being in the wand, if he performed that spell before ing Lily, it may be in his wand but we did not see it because Harry broke the connection before it came up. Unless, spells are not stored in wands. I don't think we know, for sure, whether all activity of a wand is stored or only certain ones like curses.
Posted by Hannah from Los Angeles on October 10, 2006 2:08 PM
I think Aditi is correct. LV had planned on making a seventh horcrux after HP's . That didn't happen, so his soul is only split into six parts. Here is a plot prediction. Harry ends up fighting LV early...when he thinks he still needs to destroy one more horcrux. He is forced to the bodily LV but thinks it won't take...but it does.
I think that Snape is HP's protector (however uningly), and he was using the Invisibility cloak to do the work of the OotP. The cloaks seem to be available to whoever needs them in the Order.
I also believe that Petunia be important in regards to that most powerful magic--love. How that happens, I don't know
Posted by Gloria from Arkansas on October 10, 2006 5:51 PM
I just wanted to make a statement about the cloak. is it possible that Lily threw the cloak over Harry to hide him from V? It may have worked in hiding him, but with all the spells flying around him at the time, maybe he was accidently hit with a curse and that the cloak partially protected him from it. Ideas?
Posted by Sharon from Michigan on October 10, 2006 6:19 PM
I am re-reading AGAIN and something that keeps jumping out at me is the constant referral to this voice that Harry hears in his head. It seems different than a conscience... older, wiser, parental like. It is the voice mentioned that breaks him out of Moody's Imperious Curse and tells Harry another time that he is being "Reckless"... I've also noticed that Harry just seems to "know" things a lot...about other people's feelings and what they may be thinking. I know I need to find some specific examples of all of this but I am wondering if anyone else has any thoughts on this?
Posted by Tracy on October 10, 2006 7:15 PM
To Gloria in Arkansas
Snape may well be Harrys protector but not by his own . He owes James a life which either by unbreakable vow or just plain guilt he ends up trying to repay in James' son, Harry. The rumour that Snape was under the invisiblility cloak at Godric's Hollow the night of the attack is also false. JK has it posted under the rumours section on her website. As for Petunia showing magic, JK has debunked that too. The one think we find that shows magical tendencies in the Dursley family be Dudley. Imagine how much of a shock that would be to Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia. They couldn't hate Harry for what he IS because they would have to say they hate their own son!
Back to the cloak thing. I keep thinking about the first book Philosiphers Stone. Dumbledore gives Harry the cloak at Christmas with a note to "Use it well" Shortly after that Harry discovers the Mirror of Erised. Later when he has to face Quirrel, he realizes the stone has suddenly appears in his pocket. When Harry asks DD why he was able to get the stone DD says he wanted to make sure that whoever "got the stone, but did not want to use it" was his more brilliant ideas. Harry was pure at heart. He had no intention of using the stone and maybe DD knew this and placed it in the mirror so only the pure of heart could reach it.Maybe when Harry goes back to Godrics Hollow,the cloak allow Harry to see only what the pure of heart can see. Be it a Horcrux or the magic that surrounds them so he can destroy them.
Also, I don't think Harry or any part of him is a horcrux. No part of Voldy could live in him because of his purity and love.
Posted by Shannon Daniel from Spokane, Wa on October 10, 2006 7:31 PM
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