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Who is R.A.B. and where is Slytherin's Locket?

by David Haber

In the dramatic climax of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore and Harry recover a locket from Voldemort's secret cave. Only after Dumbledore "dies" does Harry open the locket and find the note from R.A.B. But who is R.A.B., and where is the locket now?

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Well it's really plausible that it could be Regulus Black.

Here in Holland, like in Norway, Sirius Black is called Sirius Zwarts, and Regulus Zwarts rather than Black.
The abbreviation is R. A. Z. in Dutch, so that makes is completely possible that it's Regulus Black who took the locket from the cave.

Posted by March from The Netherlands on March 25, 2007 5:51 PM

I have been saying from the get-go that Voldemort could have hidden a Horcrux in Borgin and Burkes, the shop where a.) he had his first and only paying job and b.) discovered the locket that was rightfully his and Hufflepuff's cup.
I think this is where the Horcruxes are--
The cup- Borgin and Burkes OR the Room of Requirement, in the room that Harry hid his HBP book and Malfoy worked on the cabinet, either or
The locket- with Aberforth Dumbledore
The snake- stays with Voldemort
Ravenclaw's wand- with Neville, his wand now
And those are the remaining Horcruxes. I think that working out the Horcruxes won't be a challenge, but Harry has to think like Dumbledore. Where would Dumbledore search for the Horcruxes, if Harry still had him to work beside?

Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 26, 2007 1:40 PM

Ashley: I'm not sure that we have to wonder about where the Horcruxes are, but who can provide them. That's how I understand Dumbledore's obscure words "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak! Thank you!".

It seems that the Horcrux quest mirror GoF quest, which was in fact a quest for Voldemort (in GoF, it was a quest for a raising Voldemort; I'm sure in book 7 it be a quest for a shading Voldemort).

Remember that in GoF, Harry is helped by four persons:
Hagrid shows him the dragons
Cedric tells him about the egg
Dobby gives him the aquatic plant
Barty Croupton helps him in the maze

In DH, those for persons could be:
1 - Pettigrew (Nitwit) who bring the snake (which I still suppose is Gryffindor Sword transfigured) to Hogwarts, paying his to Harry
2 - Slughorn (Blubber) who give Hufflepuff Cup (he has hidden the cup somewhere in his office, I'm amazed about his old gramophone)
3 - Aberforth (Oddment) who give him the locket, stolen by RAB and carried out by Mondungus
4 - Maybe Mrs Pince (Tweak) who give Ravenclaw wand (Pince is french for pinch -- claw and she's featured as a vulture -- raven, tweak would refer to the claw and the word "pince"); the wand could be hidden in the restricted section of the library.

Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 27, 2007 03:04 AM

Where do you live that you are calling Barty Crouch "Barty Croupton"?
And I dont think that there be four people to help him because four people helped him in GoF. More likely your ideas about "NItwit! Oddment! Blubber! Tweak!" are the reasons behind it.
I am also amazed at Slughorn's gramophone, mostly because I have no idea what a gramophone is.

Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 27, 2007 2:56 PM

Ashley: sorry for Croupton and thanks to remind me of that. Of course, I meant Crouch (believe it or not, but Croupton is the french spelling for Crouch).

A gramophon (phonograph) is an old record player, usually connected to a big horn (Slughorn / big horn).

Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 28, 2007 03:02 AM

Herve, that is a fascinating theory. Maybe Pettigrew's contribution, repaying of his to Harry be to the snake. (But has anyone else wondered if there could be a connection between Nagini and that whopping snake Harry accidentally let loose in the London Zoo?) It's also very possible that Aberforth has the locket by now, but why would the Cup and conjectured Wand horcrux be at Hogwarts without Dumbledore knowing? Surely if he did know he would have gone after them first?

Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on March 28, 2007 06:01 AM


Tom Riddle acquired both the cup and the locket while working at Borgin and Burks, this means that it was AFTER he had left Hogwarts, so I don’t think it possible that the cup is at Hogwarts. You are certain that there is a WAND that has been turned into a horcrux, but I think it is a TIARA, there are two tiaras mentioned in HBP, one on the Room or Requirement, and another which be used by Fleur Delacour when she marries Bill.

I do not recall the mention of a WAND, but the mention of the two TIARAS is significant.

I also do not agree about Nagini being Griffindor’s sword, the sword WAS pulled out from the Sorting Hat by Harry in CoS, and when Harry doubted if the hat had placed him in the right House, Dumbledore asks him to read the inscription on the sword and tells Harry that “only a true Griffindor could have taken that sword out of the hat”, so that settles the matter of the sword being a copy of the original.

So, to me, the Horcruxes and their locations are:
Diary – Voldemort’s – previously in the Malfoy’s care - Destroyed
Ring – Slitherin/Marvolo – previously in Marvolo’s Shack - Destroyed
Locket – Slitherin – previously in the cave, then in 13 Grimaud Place now in Abeforth’s possession.
Cup – Huffelpuf – previously Hepsibah’s, probably in Borgin and Burks.
Tiara – Ravenclaw – The Room of Requirement at Hogwarts.
Nagini the Snake – with Voldemort.

Elizabeth from Australia,

Wormtail repay Harry by saving him from the Warewolf Fenrir Grayback with his SILVER HAND, not by destroying Nagini.

I don’t think that Nagini is the same snake that Harry freed in the Zoo, If I remember correctly the one in the Zoo was large, but not venomous, whilst Nagini is, as proven by Mr. Weasly extremely venomous. Nagini is probably a young Basilisk, that hasn’t yet developed the er stare yet.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 28, 2007 10:46 AM

Bear in mind that Voldemort DID RETURN to Hogwarts after he had been working at Borgin and ask for a job. What if this was a cover? He too could have had a quick wander round the castle (like Tonks did when she was coming "to see Dumbledore" but was found by Harry near the Room of Requirement...the opposite side of the castle.) I really think that Tonks being there is really relevant.

Posted by hamlet from Bradford on March 28, 2007 1:01 PM

I think that the locket is not in the possession of Aberforth- it might have been stashed in No. 12 Grimmauld Place, but I think that it was sold by Mundungus.

Here's my take on R.A.B.-
It's not the initials of one person, it's the initials of three.
R- Regulus Black
A- Aberforth Dumbledore
B- Burke, of Borgin and Burkes
Each would have a part to play- Regulus would be a spy, who possibly could have found out about the Horcrux, and maybe it being the locket.
Aberforth must have some of his brothers immense abilities. He could have gotten the three past the wards in the cave. And Burke could have provided the location of the locket, having sold it to Hepzibah Smith (and assumed that Voldemort took it in conjunction with her).

Posted by Reilly K from Rigby, ID on March 28, 2007 8:45 PM

hamlet from Bradford,

You are absolutley right, Voldy did come back to Hogwarts, it is probably then that he placed the tiara in the Room or Requirement, as is a place not commonly known, and that changes according to the needs of the user.

Reilly K from Rigby,

I disagree with our previous post, RAB can't be 3 people, because the message was written in the First Person Singular (I), thus suggesting only one person, and if it was Regulus Arcturus Black he might have been acompanied by Kreacher the House Elf.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 29, 2007 10:24 AM

That is a really good theory. You have a point there. We know that JK asked that Kreacher be placed in the movies because he would be important later on. The fact that it is in first person is a major argument against the three-people theory, and it probably would be Kreacher who would accompany Regulus. Kreacher would have been made to drink the potion, of course, being a house-elf. Regulus could have ordered him to continue drinking the potion and despite the potion's powers Kreacher would be forced to obey. Then he would take the incapacitated Kreacher and the locket, leaving the fake in its place. Kreacher survived, Regulus was hunted down and ed by the Eaters.

Posted by Connor K from Rigby, ID on March 29, 2007 6:15 PM

Connor K from Rigby,

Yes, I was thinking somewhere along those lines, I am still not entirely convinced that Regulus is , but the rest is right on track.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 30, 2007 12:09 PM

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