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Morty did not use a horcrux to possess Quirrel....
That was the part of his soul that would have been in his body had he had one..
Thats the part that cannot move on because it is held in place by the piece or pieces contained in horcrux(es). The pieces in the horcrux, stays in the horcrux.
If the soul is released, the horcrux is destroyed and of no value to the maker...

A person with only one horcrux can still come back more than only once..
so long as the horcrux remains intact....
it is not "used up" when the wizard comes back to life....
in CoS, had Riddle returned and the diary not been impaled with the basilisk fang, it would have remained a functioning horcrux..

Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on December 11, 2006 09:11 AM

So, we've been speculating R.A.B's real identity for quite awhile now and as far as I've seen (correct me if I'm wrong) but the guess everyone's most sure of as of now is Regulus Arcturus Black. Regulus middle name could also be Alphard, as it was the name of his mother Walburga's brother. Arcturus was Regulus father Orion's father thus making him Regulus grandfather and passing on the grandfathers name to a son is quite common as far as I know.

Personally, I support this theory because I believe in facts. This has been mentioned tons of times already but still, the most clear evidence of R.A.B being Regulus is:

-The initials correspond to Regulus and Black. The A corresponds to either Alphard or Arcturus, Regulus uncle and grandfather respectively.
-The note says "To the Dark Lord", a title that almost only Eaters use and we know that Regulus tried that path AND wanted out.
-Joanne Rowling says that she won't introduce any more major character and seeing as R.A.B, aside from Harry himself, is the most major character to come in the 7th book, it's a proper guess to say that R.A.B is someone we've heard of already.
-About Albus Dumbledore, Joanne Rowling says:

"you shouldn't expect Dumbledore to do a Gandalf"
and
"But I see that I need to be a little more explicit and say that Dumbledore is definitely...."

But has she said that about Regulus? As far as I know, she's said:

"Well, he's , so he's pretty quiet these days."

A direct quote from wikipedia:
"Although J.K. Rowling has stated Regulus is actually , she has not indicated that the allegations of Regulus's via the Eaters nor Voldemort are accurate."

Is it the same thing? I'm inclined not to think so.

-As many others said, Joanne Rowling has obviously told the translators to change R.A.B to R.A.Z or R.A.S (as in Zwarts and Svaart which I believe are Dutch and Norwegian) which might be the closest clue that the person sending the note is, infact, a Black. However, Regulus isn't the only Black of our time that fits in to this (Andromeda Tonks, who were named Black prior to marrying Ted Tonks.)
-Quote from wikipedia:

"Isabel Nunes, the Portuguese translator of the series, claimed to the Portuguese website Nimbus Network that R.A.B. is indeed Sirius's brother. She asked the gender of the mystery character, for matters of translation, and in the answer she received not only the sex, but the name: Regulus Arcturus Black."

Real or fake? Who knows.

-Would Regulus be able to drink the potion that Dumbledore had to drink? Probably not, but one thing should be noted: He had a House Elf at his command. Being a Black, Kreacher had to follow every command (and, most likely, did so without complaining) that Regulus told him to do. The fact that Kreacher would've been able to drink the potion and survive is possibly even less likely because of his smaller body figure, but do not forget that we've yet to see every aspect of the house elves complex magic. Oh and it's also a popular belief that the result from drinking the potion made Kreacher the house elf we know him as today.

However, and to argue with myself, Harry could not have inherited Kreacher if Regulus was alive would he?

-The locket at Number 12 Grimmauld Place. We're introduced to it early on, even before we hear about Horcruxes. Honestly how many, when you re-read Order of the Phoenix, might've picked up that the locket might be Salazar Slytherins locket?

-Regulus have been mentioned in both book 5 and 6, if only briefly, but he has been mentioned. once by Sirius (which also was a whole page IIRC) and once by Remus in Half-Blood Prince. Was it a subliminal act by Joanne? Maybe to have us remember the name Regulus deep inside our heads, but not really knowing where it came from?

Personally, when I read through the Half-Blood Prince first time (during one, 10 hour sitting infact), I didn't pay too much attention to what happened in the background, I was more focused on (devastated by, rather:D) the fact that Dumbledore just d. That was in the summer. But when I sat on the bus home (and this was winter, half a year later) reading the book, eventually reaching the end, the initials R.A.B reminded me of something almost immediatly. (This was before I checked the general guess on R.A.B) and that was Regulus Black. Did Joanne Rowling make it so embarrasingly obvious on purpose or did she do it so that we would think of Regulus rather than someone else?

This brings me to my second theory; Aberforth Dumbledore.

Yes, he has been mentioned before, many times, as a potential R.A.B. He's a bit easier to contradict that Reglus, but the clues are there nevertheless.

-Albus Dumbledore has, what is it, 5 names? Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore. So what stops Aberforth from having as many? And what stops him from having names that begins with R and B?
-As it has been confirmed, Aberforth Dumbledore IS the bartender in the Hog's Head. Joanne hints that Albus is friendly with "local barmen" numerous times so I guess that Albus still had regular contact with his brother while he was alive. Could he have told him about the Horcruxes? Is it even possible that they pursued them together, using different methods?

Finally, and this may or may not reinforce both mens position as R.A.Bs. Remember the locket at 12 Grimmauld Place? If I'm not entirely mistaken, Mundungus fingers all over it in book 5, only to steal it in book 6 to eventually give it too whom? Aberforth Dumbledore.

My personal theory is that Regulus is, infact R.A.B. He is , no doubt about it, but Harry still have help from an unsuspecting ally, namely Aberforth Dumbledore. IMO, it makes sense. Harry looses his mentor but the Dumbledore line lives on, most likely to aid Harry again.

Posted by Andreas from Sweden on December 11, 2006 2:19 PM

But when Voldeort was "ed" the first time. (When he could not harry and his spell backfired.) Didn't one of his souls get destroyed? When he made his horcurxes, didnt his soul get split into 7? So one of them would have to have been in him. Or was only his body destroyed and not his soul? Also, what if Voldemort only had 6 horcurxes at the time he ed harry's parents and was going to use harry's deth as his last one? I mean a horcurx isnt automaticly made if you right? Voldemort ed loads more than 7 people. So maybe Harry only has 3 or 4 left to destroy.
1. the diary is destroyed,
2.as is the ring why was Dumbledor wearing the ring?
3.maybe the locket
That leaves
4. the goblet
5. the snake
6. maybe something of ravenclaws or the part that is in Voldemort right now
7. And if he never got to the 7th one...

Just an idea... how does it sound?

Posted by Kate on December 11, 2006 2:23 PM

Yes, it only makes sense that the seventh part of his soul was destroyed when the AK that was meant to Harry rebounded on himself. But he didn't at that time because he had the six horcruxes (one would have been enough for that...) So now, Harry must destroy the six horcruxes (well, actually, two that we know of for sure [the diary and the locket] and more than likely one more [the locket which was destroyed, he hope, by RAB] are already gone) and then Voldemort be mortal and Harry be able to him once and for all!

Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on December 11, 2006 3:22 PM

Kevin

Nice point! Just because Regulus is DEAD it doesn't mean that he can't return in the flesh as it were. Perhaps the barrier to RAB's no longeer wanting to follow the Dark Lord was Voltamort requiring Regulus to someone Reggy knew and so RAS' soul was split. If Reg knew of Horcruxes then he could have preserved his split soul shard for a suprise entrance at a climactic point.

I don't agree with you on the nature of Horcruxes though! Since the Riddle diary had yet to completely take over Ginny, it remains unclear as to whether or not it could be used yet again to implant a new owner into yet another pair of legs. Clearly the destruction of the book freed Ginny. I expect another overtaken main character to be freed in the 7th book.

I also disagree about the Quirrel possesion. I feel that it could have been a simple takeover in progress along the lines of Ginny Weasley and the Riddle diary but at a much earlier stage. I know that this is based on my assumption that a full-grown professor of Defence against the Dark Arts would be harder to take over than a 10 year old sheltered girl. Here I think of the predators on the internet and their impact on America's pre-teen youth.

Posted by ken from la ca usa ea(rth) on December 11, 2006 8:20 PM

ok.
When you , your soul is not destroyed, it is released...
it's the part of you that "moves on"....
A horcrux, stops that bit of your soul from moving on by holding another piece within it...keeping your soul "earth bound"
when a horcrux is destroyed, the piece of soul with in it is released and no longer accessable by the one who made the horcrux..

The 7th. piece of Morty's soul is inside his new body..
it was the part that fled that night in Godricks Hollow,
it was the part that Morty describs as exsisting in a state that was less than the merest ghost(or something like that)
it was the part that possessed Quirrel,
it was the part that was drawn back to Hogwarts when Ginny had the diary...
it was the part that fled back to Albania to be found by Pettigrew...
it was the part that tortured and eventually destroyed the mind of Berta Jorgens(sp)
it was the part that instructed Pettigrew in how to keep him a least something near alive by feeding him Nagini's "milk"..
and finally, it is the LAST part of Morty's soul that has to be released in order for him to be gone at last......

Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on December 12, 2006 05:56 AM

That is a really good point Kevin
but if part of his soul is inside him right now, then are there SEVEN other horcurxes or only SIX and the 7th is the part inside him?
Also
what if Vldemort never got the chance to make his final horcurx. you know, if he was going to use the of harry to finish off all of them. he obviously didnt get around to doing it then.
so assuming that this is tru then harry has one less fragment of a soul to take care of
does this soud right?

Posted by Kate from Wisco on December 12, 2006 7:13 PM

Hello,

I'm a girl from Holland and I can determine that the theory of Regulus Arcturus Black is REALLY true! Because I read the book in english and the initials are R.A.B. then. But when you read the Duth version of Harry Potter HBP the initials are R.A.Z. Black translated in Dutch is "Zwarts". So this makes is for me clear that R.A.B. actually IS Regulus Black.

But I don't think the next book take very long before HP finds that out. My guess is that the first two chapters be about HP and much of aunt Petunia who tell HP some things about his mother, maybe even what kind of proffesion she had. Then there be a chapter about the wedding of Phlegm and Bill, and THEN I think he'll go to his parents house, then to the graveyard where his parents are. And I think that he meet a very significant person at that graveyard with wich he make the yourney to find the horcruxes. I think that same person also "train" HP to be ready to face Voldermort in the end.

What I'm now guessing is what part Ron, Hermione and Ginny take in this last book. I'm just not sure what they do for Harry.

Let me know what you think of my theory. (I have not checked all the commentary in this forum so I probablly am not saying something new..

Lynn

Posted by Lynn from Holland on December 13, 2006 03:09 AM

Kate,
6 horcruxes+one piece of soul stiilin his body= A 7 part soul.

Although thanks to Harry, DD and hopefully Regulus(R.A.B.) 3 of the horcruxes have been destroyed.

Ken,
If a horcrux gets destroyed when it is used, then its game over for Morty. Think about it, IF he had to destroy a horcrux to possess Quirrel, then the diary gets destroyed
he would have to have destroyed one to come back to attack Bertha, but she d, no body to posses, he would have needed to destroy another to get what ever body that was at the beging of GoF, the ring DD destroyed then the locket R.A.B. claimed to take out.. thats 6.

IF a horcrux must be destroyed to fulfill its function,
the series could have ended with one more chapter in book 6.

Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on December 13, 2006 06:55 AM

Kevin;

Yes, it is speculated (note, speculated seeing as we don't know the actuality of the Horcruxes existance and form) that Tom Riddle created six Horcruxes and left the last part of his shattered soul inside his own self, but to call it his body isn't exactly right. Throughout book 1-4, Riddle didn't even have a body. The last part of his soul would be... well, him. You bring up numerous points of this 7th part as having done all that Tom Riddle is accounted to have done after ing James and Lily Potter and that's, well, quite obvious. Seeing as the 7th part of his soul is Tom Riddle himself.

I do, however, support your theory regarding his Horcruxes holding this last part of his self "earthbound" so to speak.

Lynn;

That's a good theory. I personally don't think that'll happen myself, but a theory can't be wrong unless proved wrong and seeing the book haven't been released yet, every theory is right (man, I gotta stop babbling).

I actually think that, despite what Harry says in Half-Blood Prince, he'll return to Hogwarts which more or less have been proved already by the statement "One of Harry's classmates be a teacher". Sure, Aunt Petunia reveal something about Lily, sure Harry attend the Phlegm and Billy boy's wedding and sure he most likely visit Godric's Hollow at some point but I just don't think that he'll skip his 7th year to do all this. After all Hogwarts have, subliminally, played a huge part in EVERY single book as of yet. Why wouldn't it do that in the last novel? Note that it might've been cofirmed that he returns to Hogwarts, in which case I've been too lazy to check it properly.

I still stand behind my theory where both Sirius and Albus might've d, but their respective last names still lives to help Harry (meaning Aberforth Dumbledore and Regulus/Andromeda and possibly even Narcissa Black)

Quick Rundown of the whyes;

Aberforth Dumbledore take over Albus's position as the mentor, albeit not as clever and/or experienced. I think that the lone fact that a Dumbledore still lives to aid Harry is a comforting factor for him.

Regulus Black is the prime suspect of being R.A.B. I believe he is but I just don't think he'll be alive to aid Harry in the same way as, well a living person.

Andromeda Black (now Tonks) has two names which corresponds to R.A.B and I've even heard that Andromeda is supposed to be her middle name. This is also a plausible theory because it would give another well known character a boost, namely Andromedas daughter and Sirius cousin, Nymphadora Tonks.

You might've raised an eyebrow or two when you saw Narcissa Black (Malfoy) but hear me out. She's loyal to Riddle, yes, but I don't think she's been a part of any group that has done terrible acts (such as Lucius or Bellatrix) far too often. We don't know her previous doings or crimes, but she doesn't seem to be the most dedicated Eater. I believe Bellatrix got that attribute. In addition, she might not have liked the fact that a Eater like Severus Snape grabbed her son and ran away with him (unless they're together right now, which I doubt) and might now be hesitation regarding her position.

Remember, Narcissa can feel love (mainly towards Draco and Lucius). Something that Albus Dumbledore repeatedly says that Tom Riddle cannot.

Posted by Rane from Sweden on December 13, 2006 10:32 AM

As a reply to Rane's point: Since you can use a living being as a Horcrux, according to the author anyway, who is to say that the original Tom Marvolo Riddle body wasn't a Horcrux for a shard of Voldemort's soul? I can't rule it out anyway.

If you go to JKR's website and journey to the "links" page and look at the books on the lower shelf that do NOT react when one's cursor passes over it and click on them one book reacts a tome on Arithmancy. When opened the tome lists the symbolic meaning of the numbers Zero through Nine.

Nine is a Hydra for the number of its heads. Eight is an Arcomantula for the number of its eyes. The symbolic meaning of the number Seven is she says yet to be discovered. Is it possible that you can only split your soul six times thus into seven total shards? Perhaps the deed that done He-Who-must-Not-Be-Named in was attempting to implant a seventh soul shard into a seventh Horcrux! Than would leave the Dark One's body as an empty. Wouldn't explain the lack of his body though. Unless he was in Animagus for and ignored at the time.

Posted by ken from la ca usa ea(rth) on December 13, 2006 5:02 PM

I believe that regulus is RAB, but has anyone discussed the fact that unless voldemort confided in anyone about the cave there are 2 other people that know of its existance, they are the 2 'presumably muggle' orphans dennis bishop and amy benson.(secret riddle chapter HBP) I know the middle name thoery has been discussed with amelia bones but what about amy? I do not think that she is RAB or a witch, but find it interesting that she is one of 3 people (including voldemort) that we know to have definately been inside the cave

Posted by sarah from new south wales australia on December 14, 2006 04:21 AM

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