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The power The Dark Lord knows not

by David Haber

It all comes down to this. The big difference between Voldemort and Harry. The only difference that's really important. It couldn't be more important to the climax of the Harry Potter Septology Mystery. And the reason we know it's important is because J.K. Rowling went out of her way to tell us about it, right out, in plain language, not couched in a riddle, in the very first Harry Potter book.

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Lilly: your idea is just great. If Voldemort was attacked at Hogwarts by a Dementor, he couldn't get away from it and wouldn't be able to defend himself. If it was an invisible dementor, it would even be better. Is it possible to disillution a Dementor?

Posted by herve from strasbourg on April 26, 2007 11:27 PM

Yes... A Patronus is an amount of positive energy that may be used in a lot of ways... We know two of them: scare dementors (they consume its positive energy, and they stay away from us).
we also know the patronus as a way to send messages.
But Voldemort is not even a human... And he can�t stand love. He hates when the theory of "Love is the strongest thing in the world" comes up. And even more important, he knows some powers of love (he ignores them, but he knows what they are).
So, a simple spell, an amount of positive energy, hapiness and joy, that the dementors suck from us,would damage Voldemort? That is a little bit hard to believe, at least if you mean it like an attack charm. But, yes, it may make some effect.
What is more, I already tried to focus the love power, how Dumbledore makes it so important, and how dumbledore has so much faith that it would change the world. I said (and I'm still saying) that Love has some huge powers that we don't know. Maybe not an "attack or a defensive charm", but a whole miracle. And I'm sure we all agree with this: In Harry Potter's world, Dumbledore is much much wiser than us, so as I trust in his good sense,I also trust in his theories, more than any other theory. The problem is to understand his theories.

Posted by Rafael Garcia from Oporto, Portugal on April 27, 2007 6:01 PM

Lily andHerve,

I may be wrong, but arent all the Dementors currently working UNDER the Dark Lord?...
Why would they attack him? Not to mention the fact that this is THE DARK LORD we're talking about. I'm sure he could dream up a way to defer a Dementor. Or he could use his memory of the mass breakout from Azkaban, or even tying Harry up and ing his friend in front of him, as a happy memory.
Remember, Patronuses are made of happy memories, not neccessarily good memories.There is a difference between a good memory and a happy memory.
The mass breakout wasnt good, but it made Voldemort HAPPY.
ing Cedric wasnt good, but it shocked Harry, which makes Voldemort HAPPY.
It also depends who the memory is good to. Harry made a Patronus at the exams while imagining her getting sacked, which WOULD be good to Harry and the school, but BAD for the Ministry and Fudge.

Posted by Dante on April 28, 2007 04:59 AM

herve, your post made me think a lot... What would Voldemort fear the most? Certainly not any monster or something like that. A dementor doesnt fit as well.But there was something that Voldemort was already defeated by... Surprise surprise.

There is a room in the Ministery of Magic that is always locked. There's where the strongest power resides.

Furthermore, Dumbledore wanted Harry to study and know Voldemort's past. He says it help him to "survive". Moreover, Hermione thinks that Dumbledore wants to show Harry such things to know his opponent in a better way. To see his weakest aspects... Wouldn't it help a lot if we know what does Voldemort fears the most?

So, can we be so afraid of something that we don't know so well? Harry is protected by the power of love, and it makes a big difference that Harry can love after all he has been through. Voldemort showed the advantages of the dark magic, and Harry saw that power. He felt that power. He would feel so angry, so "evil" to destroy Voldemort for what he has done, that it could make Harry incapable of love. But no. Harry is angry, he wants to Voldemort very badly. But Voldemort ed his parents, and they loved him very much, and Voldemort took them away... That kind of separation leaves some marks. It makes Harry love them, even after they are , even knowing that he never saw his parents.

And in the 1st book, Dumbledore says that Voldemort should have understood with who he was dealing with, after what Harry saw in the mirror. But he didnt. Harry saw his parents, smilling at him. Then, the of an ambitious Quirell was no match for Harry's protection.

But in the 4th book, Voldemort met Harry when he was in panic, stressed and very sad about Cedric's . He was an easy victim.

Now, in the 7th book, isnt it possible if, in a way where Harry is about to , and he thinks about his parents, Dumbledore, the people that Voldemort already ed... and he could "visualize them all smilling at him", and maybe the sound of a fenix, would make him completely "full of love"? How could such an evil soul as Voldemort be a match to Harry at that moment? AND MORE, wouldnt it be possible if Voldemort, somehow, could himself with his own curse? It already happened when Lily tried to save Harry, and when it happened, there were 7 horcruxes. It is not hard to believe that now there would be only 1 left.

Posted by Rafael Garcia from Oporto, Portugal on April 28, 2007 7:43 PM

if harry went up to voldemort and told him he loved him and meant it, it wouldnt be used as a weapon, it just may either cause voldemort to feel pity and spare his life (protection) or it may cause voldemort to experience love and turn good.

jk does not mean love as a weapon but a feeling which causes you to act in a passionate and good way.

Posted by CAZ from Devon, England on April 29, 2007 03:21 AM

Rafael Garcia,
the first line in your fourth paragraph says it all.
Dumbledore said that Voldemort is secretly afraid of corpses and the dark, but he says there is nothing to fear when looking upon darkness and . What we REALLY fear is the unknown.

Posted by Dante on April 29, 2007 09:16 AM

Dante, what we really fear doesnt necessarily need to be the unknown. People have the right to just fear something, like a monster.

Although, you have a point when you say that Voldemort fears the corpses and the dark, I completely forgot that part.

So, I wonder how could Dumbledore know such a thing? Did Voldemort told him? Did he show some fear about that when he was stu? I dont think so.

Posted by Rafael Garcia from Oporto, Portugal on April 30, 2007 12:07 PM

All excellent points here!

I was just wondering: Why did Voldemort say to Lily that she didn't have to ?
Wouldn't he just have ed her for kicks? Isn't that what Voldemort does? Which is why I think they're is a lot more to that. Maybe old Voldy had an infatuation for Lily? Unlikely, I know but it's still a very strange thing for him to say.

Also, I think that the Dementors have no effect on Voldemort simply because he is a creature like them. He probably doesnt have any truly 'good' memories. Sadistic pleasure ones yes, (like torturing the other orphans in the cave) but none that are actually positive. Therefore, I think that the Dementors wouldn't be able to suck the cheerfulness/happiness out of him because he has none to begin with. His natural state ordinarily is that of someone in Azkaban. Is essence, he has created his own hell and even the Dementors can't add to that. They probably wouldn't be able kiss him as his soul is so damaged that even they wouldn't find it appetising!

Posted by Lauren from Melbourne, Australia on May 2, 2007 06:43 AM

Maybe Riddles' boggart appeared as a corpse, possibly his own, and Dumbledore saw this when Riddle was a student. This could be the root of his striving to avoid .

Posted by Patty from Quincy MA on May 2, 2007 11:16 AM

Well, he knew voldermort and probably showed some fear while he was stu as you said. And also voldermort is insecure and always fear and hate his servants aswell. cause he thinks that one of them might want to him and take over. So that's why he became immortal and worked so hard to find a way to become immortal. cause he was afraid of or letting anyone triumph over him when he was old or if his power faded. Only insecure ppl would go through such lengths to make themselves invincible and all powerful to prevent anyone from harming them. So i guess Voldermort fears a lot of things. Mostly things he doesn't understand. eg: LOVE! So Harry cold use his fears and his lack of understanding to defeat him. And Voldy has made himself vulnerable at some points by not CONQUERING OR TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HIS FEARS. So that knowledge could come in use in the final showdown.

Posted by Divi from U.A.E, Dubai on May 2, 2007 11:35 AM

First of all, as I have already said and you have agreed to, Dumbledore maybe realised what Voldemort fears the most in Hogwarts.
Although, and that was the part that didnt show up in my last reply, I really dont think that Dumbledore understood that there. And even worse, with a boggart. JKR wouldnt do such a low blow like making this enigma ending in something so "vulgar". At least I hope so.
I believe Dumbledore understood that realising Voldemort's attitudes. Maybe he used to know his kind of person... Maybe L-o-v-e.

In addiction, about Voldemort biggest fear be love... Mmm, It could be now. Voldemort could be very afraid of love, because he knows he cant reach it, he knows that Dumbledore is wise and he has to have some reason, and he doesnt know all the effects of love. That power, when infiltred on the boy who is destinated to or at least be able to him, makes it a lot worse.
But I dont think that Voldemort always feared love. He ignored its powers and mocked Dumbledore to have such ideias, at least once.

Even more, I find it a little bit difficult to see Voldemort being insecure about his servants. Maybe his foes. I belive his servants are just a mix of slaves and believers.

And to finish, Lauren has a big point. Voldemort could have just ed her. But he didnt. I can only think that Voldemort felt pity. It is strange, and even revolting, but it a little bit of sense. Voldemort hated his father, and he was sad about what he did to his mother. Maybe he saw himself there. But why would he try to Harry then? It would be very difficult to be true.
It is also possible that Voldemort realised that Lily could protect Harry with love, in case she s for him. We know that before he told Dubledore that he had already been in a lot of places, and he has never found anything that could prove that Love is more powerful that his magic.
Maybe he wanted to prove that. He said that he knew this protection, but he admited that he was a fool when he ignored it. Well, if he knew that protection, why would he try to attack Harry then? As far as I think, Voldemort is not so foolish.

Posted by Rafael Garcia from Oporto, Portugal on May 2, 2007 5:13 PM

In the scene at the end of GoF when Voldemort tells the Eaters why the attempt to Harry rebounded, he says quite clearly that he had known of this magic but had forgotten about it. He didn't choose to ignore it.

As for why he didn't intend to Lily, that's a tough one. Rafael could be right in relating it to Voldemort's feelings about his own mother. She let herself rather than make the effort to stay alive for him. Faced with a mother ing to for her child, maybe he did hesitate. Hard to imagine, but possible. I wonder if in DH we actually see Harry's memory of that night in the pensieve. Obviously the memory still exists because of Harry's reaction to the Dementors. Who in the Order is sed enough to extract it? That would be a very, very painful scene for Harry to watch, and so far Rowling hasn't flinched at giving Harry a bit of grief.

Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on May 3, 2007 04:17 AM

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