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The power The Dark Lord knows not

by David Haber

It all comes down to this. The big difference between Voldemort and Harry. The only difference that's really important. It couldn't be more important to the climax of the Harry Potter Septology Mystery. And the reason we know it's important is because J.K. Rowling went out of her way to tell us about it, right out, in plain language, not couched in a riddle, in the very first Harry Potter book.

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When Voldemort attempted to Harry the first time, Harry was too young to perform magic or maybe rather, focused magic. Therefore Lily's magic was strong enough to protect Harry, but not herself. It was strong enough to repell Voldemort's magic and turn it back on himself, leaving him weak for years.

I wonder what would happen if two full wizard/witches in love protected each other (Harry, Ginny) while they were blasted by a curse?

Posted by Jennifer on April 5, 2007 2:10 PM

Arjun from Mumbai,

the prophesy probably includes and accounts for that final defiance hence it remains 3! (though i don't know what the other two are.. any guesses?)

And also, it simply can't be neville because Voldemort 'marked' and singled out Harry as the one.

Posted by Robin on April 7, 2007 09:10 AM

Well, I don't think that the final one counts. It's defined in the prophecy itself, it says "The one with the Powers to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches� Born to those who have trice defied him, born as the seventh month s".

By this, Sybill Trelawney, having made the Prophecy states that it is from "those who HAVE thrice defied him", meaning that, by the time the Prophecy was made, Lily and James Potter had already defied Voldemort in three occasions, the presence of that have indicates that the final encounter does not count.

By the way, why do you think Voldemort chose Harry instead of Neville? I think it's because he saw the anti-him in Harry. I say this because James' ancestors were all pure-bloods, opposite of Voldemort, whose mother's ancestors were all pure-bloods. Besides, I think that the fect that where the Potter's lived (Godric's Hollow) and the fact that James' family was wealthy (stated by JKR in an interview, I read today) and on ancient pure-bloodness, maybe Harry is this way a descendant of Godric Gryffindor's, as it's been talked a lot in like EVERY HP fan-page�

So, this takes us to Neville: if you Wikipedia Neville, it says that he was born a day before Harry, therefore, Voldemort knowing this, having being his information fetched (incompletely) by Snape, might have resolved that Harry was born nearer to the time the seventh month s�

Oh, I also don't discard Neville's importance in the final book, I think he may take part (some way) in the final battle (as Hermione, Ginny, Luna and Ron). By the way, JKR saying that 2 major characters , I say Voldemory and Harry or Voldemort and Ginny (if Harry results successful).

Posted by Ra�l Llavaneras from San Antonio de Los Altos, Venezuela on April 8, 2007 8:00 PM

That is surely a good thought, love has played an important part in the series. Harry was protected by the curse due to love, also dumbledore has stressed how important love was for Harry - the power which the dark lord does not know. Voldemort has never experienced love in his life he has always been a subject of hatred and horror and what if he confronts with love it could be interesting. It would be equally difficult for j.k.r to develop a plot with an ending suggested by David. Let's see what happens we have to wait till the 21st.

Posted by viv from manipal,india on April 9, 2007 12:01 AM

I hope that Professor Trelawneys predictions are incorrect, because in PoA, she states that Harry has the shortest lifeline she has ever seen. If what she says is a prophesy, then Harry probably does to be joined by his family and possibly Dumbledore...where he is happy. The two to must be Harry & Voldemort.

Posted by Sharon from Michigan on April 9, 2007 09:39 AM

I think that love play an important part in the duel with Voldemort, I think that Snape and either Ron or Hermione both sacrifice themselves to save Harry and Voldemort would not be able to cope with these acts of love and Harry be able to destroy Voldemort once and for all!

Posted by Tom from Manchester, England on April 9, 2007 1:03 PM

I had an interesting thought. Harry had protection for a long time as Lily sacraficed her own life for his. Could this be the same as Dumbledore? He did a similar thing, and maybe this explains the gleam in his eyes at the end of HP4. He realised Lily's protection was now not enough, but by having the same protection supplied by Dumbledore be completely unexpected, as the suposed 'bad guys' did not know Harry was under the cloak, therefore not knowing of the sacrifice.

Posted by mmc from mmc on April 9, 2007 3:52 PM

Wow, the light bulb just went off for me (thanks mmc), yes, I believe Dumbledore intentionally made a similar sacrifice for Harry just as Lilly did, only giving Harry more strength. That and the fact that all masters need to pass on so their apprentices can become the master... But, I do think Harry not Voldemore in the end, I don't think he is capable and somehow that be what does Voldemort in. Harry is not a er and perhaps with Snape and his friends and the DA and the OOTP all together they forms some sort of reflective shield against the eaters and Voldemort. My other guess is that Percy betray the Weaselys, and a Weasely, not Ginny or Ron (perhaps Mr. or Mrs. Weasely) as a result of it. Also, I predict Snape attempt to make a sacrifice for Harry and that prove to Harry in the end that he was on his side.

Posted by Johellie from Montana on April 10, 2007 09:01 AM

The reason Lily left protection on Harry was because she physically stood in front of him and begged " me instead". This is why James didn't leave any protection, even though he d to protect Lily and Harry. Jo has said this herself. Albus d to save Harry, yes, but it would not leave the protection that Lily left on Harry, because no one was trying to Harry at the time, and Albus did not physically stand in front of him. Whoever else sacrifices him- or herself for Harry, I'm not expecting it to leave the same sort of protection as Lily left. Harry must face Voldemort with the capability and ingness to at his hands. Otherwise, how anticlimactic that would be.

Posted by monkeeshrines from orlando fl on April 10, 2007 09:47 AM

I don't think Harry has to Voldemort. He's able to vanquish him, which means that Voldemort still can live, losing his "Dark Lord" status.

We are told that the Dark Lord must " at the hand" of Harry (or the opposite, but I much prefer it this way). The Dark Lord, not Tom Riddle. If Voldemort is deprived from his powers, he can still be Tom Riddle, but no more the "Dark Lord". Then the "Dark Lord" has d, but not Tom Riddle, and Harry has only suppressed the evil creature, not ed the person.

Did Dumbledore give, when , a new protection to Harry? Maybe, but not yet. Dumbledore asked Petunia to have Harry at Privet Drive in july, until Harry turned seventeen, so that Harry be protected.

Posted by herve from strasbourg on April 11, 2007 03:00 AM

Herv� from Strasbourg,

I like the way you just put that, it would keep Harry "Pure and Innocent" up to a point, but would have been able to get rid of the Dark Lord.

We don't know if is possible to strip off the powers of a Wizard/Witch, but suddenly it makes sense the way that Dumbledore "Vanquished" or "Defined" the wizard Grindevald, and it would be a worst fate than , for Voldemor at least, the loss of his powers.

As you mentioned, this way Harry "s" Voldemort but not Tom Riddle, which we have seen Harry is learning to differentiate.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on April 11, 2007 09:08 AM

right, what if someone sacrifices themself in love for harry, and then with no horcruxes, if voldemort tried to harry, then with this protection on harry when the spell rebounds it finally voldemort, and this could be one of the s metioned?

Posted by damien horwood from chester england on April 13, 2007 08:19 AM

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