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You know, it has something from the anarchy symbol. Triangle-line-circle. Against the government, against the ministry of magic.

Posted by Claudia from Holland on May 16, 2007 1:53 PM

I think the fact that Thiago Leite Cruz from brazil has found the exact symbol tells us that it is a rune. Also, the entire Harry Potter series is about alchemy...or rather changing from a lesser "thing" into a greater "thing". If you are familiar with alchemy you know there are three stages of change. The Black Stage is first...followed by the White (Albi) Stage and ending with the Red (Rubeus) Stage. So I do believe the symbol is alchemical in nature. Anyone find it interesting that all three stages (colors) are characters in the books? Two of them have d in order of their respective stage. Does that mean Hagrid in book 7?

Posted by Bobbye from seattle, Wa on May 16, 2007 4:13 PM

I belive the symbol is most likely dirrectly related to dumbledore, heres a list of some of the places the symbol is claimed to have been
Dumbledores cloak (Philosopher's Stone)
Dumbledores watch
Dumbledores Pensieve
The symbol has also been said to stand for fire therefore it could also relate to Dumbledores phoenix, Fawkes
Therefore i belive this symbol has something to do with dumbledore coming back from , This is how i came to establish this thoery
Well when voldemort was brough back from very near , certain things that ment something or were related to voldemort were placed in the couldron (Goblet of fire), so say dumbledore wasn't completely , or even if he was, do these items with the symbol on bring him back to life, in the same way voldemort was with the items placed in the cauldron
or my other more basic theory is that dumbledore created horcruxs for himself, as voldemort had done, and he placed this symbol on all of his horcruxs, and this could also explain and back up the theory snape did dumbledore under his orders, as if he knew he had a horcrux, so he knew he wouldn't .

Posted by Matt from England on May 17, 2007 04:55 AM

Dumbledore would never make a horcrux. He believes it worse than itself

Posted by Bryan from Belleville, Illinois on May 17, 2007 12:29 PM

Thiago Leite Cruz's comment has intruiged me. I searched and searched for the prince with the sword but no real avail - a lot of books and song lyrics. So then I thought of tarot cards, going by the fact JK used The Lightning Struck Tower as a chapter title. I found the Prince of Swords:
General Meaning: This card is traditionally entitled the Knight, but in some modern decks appears as the Prince. Traditionally, this card portrays the restless mind, aroused by thoughts of offense and defense, storming around searching for a target to pounce on. He often feels slighted, has a chip on his shoulder and bristles with a hostile attitude. His usual method is to look for someone to blame for his irritation.

Furthermore, in an attitude of righteousness, he may assign himself the job of correcting the offender. Jumping easily to conclusions, he shoots first, asks questions later and is therefore often guilty of over. This is not to say that he does not have his heroic side; a single-minded combativeness can have its value. However, even when he is doing the right thing, he is likely to be doing it for the wrong reasons. Apt advice for this card is to deeply question your motives for what you are thinking about doing. Forethought assist you in discriminating between righteous and unrighteous causes. Control any traces of impulsive judgement!

Posted by Orlando from England on May 17, 2007 1:47 PM

While I am not yet persuaded that Harry is a 'seer'... he does have a somewhat prophetic dream in Philosphers Stone as well. And, while it might be in some way related to Voldemort's being at Hogwarts with Quirrel, there is a lot of revelation from it as well. Are there other 'dreams' we have overlooked in this 'seer' quest?

Posted by Charlie Tarbox from Gettysburg, Pa on May 17, 2007 8:16 PM

In regards to Tarot cards, I found this; the 7 of Pentalces (Ravenclaw) represents a rewarding break after hard work, the 7 of Swords (Gryffindor) represents a secret, solitary journey, the 7 of Cups (Hufflepuff)represents letting go and the 7 of wands (Slytherin) represents taking a stand. Sounds like Harry have to do all of these things!

Posted by mmc from sa, australia on May 17, 2007 9:28 PM

I would like to say how amazed I am at everyone for their hard work on researching this thing. Thank you all for your hard work and dedication. Thanks to David Haber for this wonderfully written piece and to all of the other authors on beyondhogwarts I haven't thanked yet. Good work all!

Posted by Robbie from New Mexico on May 17, 2007 11:07 PM

I was interested when someone mentioned three stages of alchemy connected with character names in the book so I looked it up. I didn't find anything about that but I did find an essay of sorts written by E.E. Rehmus called the magician's diary. This essay lists seven stages of alchemy which seem to correspond with the books:
1) Calcination which coincides with Harry burning quirrel's face to defeat voldemort in Book 1
2) Putrefication: possibly connected to characters being petrified?
3) Solution: this is obviously the mixing of two things so I thought it was connected to finding out James and Sirius and Pettigrew are Animagi (man and animal)
4) Distillation: this is the seperation of elements and this is connected to Voldy who in previous books acted with Quirrel or acted thru the diary or was connected to Pettigrew - in Book 4 he finally comes out on his own.
5) Conjunction: I can't find anything to tell me what this means in alchemy, however if you just consider its word definition it means working together so it can refer to the order of the pheonix or voldy working with his eaters
6) Sublimation: this in chemistry is a direct transition from solid to gas (maybe this is a clue about dumbledore?
7) Philosophic congelation: this is the final stage wherein transformation is complete

But what transformation be completed?

Posted by Danielle from New York on May 18, 2007 5:17 PM

Orlando, I'm not sure the first chapter of GOF is written from Harry's point of view. In the other dreams that Harry describes to us, he clearly states his location, usually that is because he is seeing it from Voldemort's point of view, but we don't see how Harry is seeing this or what Harry sees. All we see is from Frank's point of view. He starts in his cottage, but Harry never mentions seeing the cottage. All we know is that when Voldemort s Frank, Harry wakes up with his scar hurting. We don't know how Harry saw anything, he didn't tell us about the dream. Frank tells us what happened. I think it is more like the first chapter of HBP, it isn't Harry that is telling us the story at all, so we don't know what Harry saw or how he saw it.

Posted by LMD from Fayetteville, NC on May 18, 2007 5:58 PM

Charlie Tarbox
I know the dream you are talking about and I can never decide what to interperet from it. I think it may just be a dream of an over tired mind - but we the reader are having an unknown Seer moment of our own, by that I mean we are having the future shown to us (Malfoy, Snape, Voldemort all connected etc) but we just don't know it so cannot interpretate what we see. I think the most important line from this dream is: when he woke next day, he didn't remember the dream at all (PS, uk, p.97). Having dreams and then forgetting them would help explain some of his moments where things seem familiar without him knowing why.

Linked to the Seer idea, but to Lily this time. In PoA Lupin says to Harry 'Your parents gave their lives to keep you alive' (PoA uk, P.213). I may be reading too much into this, but the line suggests that Lupin knows more than he has so far let on in any of the books, and it suggests again that Lily did indeed know that she had to in order for Harry to live.

Posted by Orlando from England on May 19, 2007 1:03 PM

But he (lupin) knew what happened because harry told him so. Harry told lupin what he saw if the dementors came near him.

Posted by Claudia on May 20, 2007 03:53 AM

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