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The Aftermath: We were all correct
by David Haber
Sometime a week before Book 7 came out, someone commented that Harry would die, but then come back. I think most everyone on the site thought it was a silly idea. But I told several people at that time that I thought that just might be the perfect solution, although I couldn't figure out how J.K. could make it work. J.K. did, of course! So, the half of the Harry Potter fans in the world who thought Harry would die were right! And the other half who thought he would live were also right!
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Reader Comments: (Page 90)
Lola, Snape sent the fake sword to Grongott's because Bellatrix wanted it in her vault (possibly Voldemort told her to do it). But although she didn't know it was fake, Snape did, and kept the real one besides Dumbledore's portrait (possibly following Dumbledore's orders). But he didn't know about horrocruxes, Dumbledore didn't want to give that information to Snape: he was too close to Voldemort, and in my opinion, the horrocruxes knowledge was too dangerous to be in an former -eater's mind.
Snape was member of the OotP, but also a kind of "top secret spy" of Dumbledore, so everyone in the Order believed Snape ed Dumbledore; it was part of the "plan". He couldnīt be confiding with McGonagall in Hogwarts, the castle was full of -eaters, so how long would it took to Amycus or Alecto to tell Voldemort that strange behavior?
And finally, Arthur Weasley couldn't know it, just suspect. The three ones were discovered but still beneath the polyjuice effects. And of course, that mayhem was silenced by the Ministery authorities.
Posted by Go Snape Go from Bs As on December 4, 2007 11:52 AM
Michelle, I think that the Elder wand story seems to be too weak just because there are too many ways to earn the wand, but it's quiete confusing.
How could Dumbledore defeat Grindewald, if he had the unbeatable wand? Because (I think) Grindewald wasn't the master, as he stole from Gregorovich; by 1945, the master of that wand was, still, Gregorovich, so Dumbledore could defeat him.
We know that Snape wouldn't be the master because it was not a real comfrontation, but Draco disarmed Dumbledore (the plan failed at this point) and won the wand. And then, in Malfoy's Manor occurred something similar to Gregorovich-Grindewald: "Harry took the three wands from Draco's hand..." Harry didn't defeat Draco, he stole Bellatrix, Wormtail and Draco's wands from them. But still (I donīt know how), Harry won the elder wand.
Later, in the woods, when Harry was walking to get ed, Voldemort used his elder wand to him. Of course, if Harry was the master of the wand, it could not him, but destroyed the horrocrux inside Harry (when Harry returned from King's Cross, he could see that Voldemort was standing up from the floor), and in the final battle inside Hogwart, without horrocruxes, Voldemort couldn't him for the second time, again because Harry was the master.
But why the AK curse of Voldemort rebounded with Harry's expelliarmus, well, it's too much for me. It seems that Voldemort had to , but Harry would not be the er.
Posted by Go Snape Go from Bs As on December 4, 2007 12:24 PM
Voldemort's final avada kedavra curse rebounded because Harry was master of the elder wand and it would not its master.
Posted by Joe from England on December 5, 2007 04:12 AM
This JKR's creation. Her word is law. If she says Dumbledore can beat the Elder Wand, he can. If Harry became master by stealing Draco's wand, he can. Let us remember that it was made by a mortal being, with as many flaws as any person. The Elder Wand may be better than other wands, but it wasn't infallible. There are plenty of loopholes.
Posted by C.J. from Utah on December 7, 2007 12:31 PM
I am from the U.S. and I have wasted a considerable amount of time staring at the stupid DH cover, trying to figure out what the heck is happening. I wonder if Mary Grandpre actually read the story. I didn't read any of the comments on here because there are too many. Does anyone have a guess at where they are? It doesn't look like Hogwarts to me. I thought it looked a little like the Roman colliseum (not sure on the spelling there).
Somehow, you just had to know JK was going to off Lupin and Tonks because now there is repeating history with Harry and Teddy. I cried when Harry's parents and Sirius and Lupin came back to be with him. It was just, I don't know, it just hit me really powerfully somehow. Also, I cried when he talked to Dumbledore again. I was so happy to see him and talk to him (well Harry talked to him) because he represents the protecting mentor figure who has an aura of peace and calm about him and he has all the answers. When I read this book the second time, I cried because it was all over and there was no more.
I'm glad I didn't read any spoilers because it turns out that lots of people's guesses were right. I said that Harry was the seventh horcrux and that's why he spoke Parseltongue and had the Voldemort connection but my mom was like, "No, I don't think horcruxes could do that" and I was RIGHT!
Posted by Camille from Manchester on December 12, 2007 06:41 AM
Camille, I think Mary Grandpre just wanted to add a bit of grandeur and mystery to the final battle between Harry and Voldemort on the cover.
That scene in the forest was a very touching moment. I cried too.
Posted by C.J. from Utah on December 14, 2007 12:39 PM
Camille, I spent hours staring at the cover art, too, and I also thought it looked like the Roman coliseum, but I also thougth it looked a little like the way I imagined the great hall. Isn't that where they had the last battle, anyway? I think that's the look Mary Grandpre was going for.
Posted by Holly from Germany on December 15, 2007 11:33 AM
Camille, the cover art is probably supposed to show the Great Hall with its enchanted ceiling. The thing that puzzled me when I saw the US cover is that neither Harry nor Voldemort have wands. You can see that Voldemort looks as though he is reaching after something and Harry is obviously looking up to catch something. It must be the moment when Voldemort has cast the ing Curse and Harry has used the Disarming spell. I guess if Harry still had his wand and Voldemort didn't it would have been a massive spoiler about what was going to happen, so Mary Grandpre left it out. Probably on Rowling's instructions. I've commented before that most authors have a very limited ability to influence the cover art. Rowling is most likely an exception to that. I'm sure she would have had some input.
I think the fact that Harry never actually s anyone is important. In the end Voldemort does in fact destroy himself. The whole thing backfires on him quite literally. There is a certain moral and artistic integrity to that which I really liked.
Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on December 20, 2007 06:25 AM
I liked the fact that Harry refused to anyone either, even though people in the order were telling him he should. He used the Imperius Curse and the Cruciatus Curse, but not the ing Curse. I thought it was weird though, the way he used the Cruciatus Curse. He did it like it was no big deal, like causing someone unimaginable torture and pain that he himself had experienced was something you could do because they "deserved it". He didn't want to sink to the Eaters' level, but by using this curse for no other reason than this guy spit at Professor McGonagall, he kind of did sink to their level. Don't get me wrong, I hated him too, but that still seemed like he was becoming a little like Bellatrix Lestrange by using the curse in that circumstance.
Also, yeah, I know the place on the cover is supposed to be the Great Hall, and it had occurred to me that the orange sky was the sunrise and the enchanted ceiling, but it just didn't look like it. (And thanks, C.J., now I know I'm not the only one who fell to pieces at that moment)But you're right, it probably has something to do with JK's NO SPOILERS policy, which, I like. She's really good like that. Although, people downloaded two thirds of the book the day before it came out and I didn't find it, but still, it felt like a lot of the book was spoiled by various predictions. Did anyone read spoilers? And thank you guys, Elizabeth, Holly, and C.J. for answering my question!
Posted by Camille from manchester on December 21, 2007 06:29 AM
I agree with you, Camille. Spitting at McGonagall was a pretty stupid reason for using the Cruciatus Curse. He could have used something else, I would be pretty mad too, but the Cruciatus Curse? Over. I'd like to see Carrow's memory wiped out. But then I'm not sure what it would do to him. He was such an idiot in the first place...
Posted by C.J. from Utah on December 28, 2007 11:24 PM
Hi and thanks for a great web page, i feel the need to say, that i feel that my right arm has now been cut off. it seems mad that i have spent such a large part of my life, awaiting the last chapter. i am re reading the books to see if i missed any thing. but i never saw all that you have all seen. i have loved reading all your comments.
i did not l;ike the last chapter, it has left me with a bleak mood about it all. i feel that to many question have been left unanswered. but harry has made my children and i read a lot more. so thanks alot for that.
happy harry pottering to you all.
Posted by pomkey from london england on January 2, 2008 2:11 PM
Ha ha! Very true, C.J., the Carrow twins together couldn't have produced enough brain power to light a 10 watt light bulb. But the Obliviate Spell (or curse or charm or whatever it is) would have been perfect. Or what about good old Petrificus Totalus? I don't think that spell wears off and he could have just lied on the floor and gotten squished by giants or spiders. I like that better. Oh, has anyone checked out JKR's website since, um, New Year's, I think? She has a Weasley Geneology Line showing all of the Weasley family's kids. It's all in one piece. (It's in the Room of Requirement by the way). It was really nice to have all the information on one sheet of paper. Apparently Charlie doesn't have any kids and he's never mentioned after the wedding, I think. Poor Charlie. Just a dot in a bigger picture, put there to help Norberta, then, forgotten.
Posted by Camille from Manchester on January 3, 2008 09:03 AM
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