The Aftermath: We were all correct
by David Haber
Sometime a week before Book 7 came out, someone commented that Harry would die, but then come back. I think most everyone on the site thought it was a silly idea. But I told several people at that time that I thought that just might be the perfect solution, although I couldn't figure out how J.K. could make it work. J.K. did, of course! So, the half of the Harry Potter fans in the world who thought Harry would die were right! And the other half who thought he would live were also right!
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Voldemart made Harry a horocrux. He didn't just make part of him a horocrux. So to destroy a horocrux, or in this case Harry, a human, you must him. Which means at one point Harry was , or else Voldemart would still be alive with one horrocrux left. Posted by Nyx on October 27, 2008 2:24 PM
Elizabeth
After reading your message to me one more time I would like to ask you a question. You said that watching his friends was what gave him courage. Courage to do what? "Die" Cause he did not .
P.S. I wanted more people to in this book. There should have been at least one person from the trio that d. But even though I wanted people to I still wanted two people to live. Hedwig and Moody. Two people that ended up Posted by Nyx on October 27, 2008 2:28 PM
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"How or in what way does Harry's blood in V. enable him to become Master of ? I don't quite see what you mean there."
Alice, what I meant was that because Voldemort had taken Harry's blood at the end of GoF, had no power over Harry, unless Harry chose that it should. Remember, Dumbledore told Harry in the King's Cross chapter that he could choose to "go on", that he would be able to board something like a train? Harry had the power to choose, so that's partially what I meant about him being Master of . Also, he isn't frightened of anymore, and even earlier when he was terrified after learning what he had to do, it was only the way we would all fear it as the ultimate unknown. Not as Voldemort fears it; as something which master him. I think that's partly what Voldemort fears about - it's something he cannot really control and puts him on the same footing as other mortals. Everyone s, but Voldemort wants to be "special". He wants to twist the rules for himself. In a way he is trying to become the Master of , both avoiding it for himself and dealing it out to others as the ultimate punishment.
So Harry's courage in choosing to , then his blood in Voldemort, acting as a horcrux if you like, gives him the choice. It is the way he uses that choice, along with his understanding and acceptance of , that makes him its Master. Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on October 27, 2008 4:22 PM
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Wow, Nyx! You are bloodthirsty! I thought quite enough people d.
Your question; whether or not we agree that Harry actually d, and my metaphysics really isn't up to this, I think we can agree that Harry genuinely believed after seeing Snape's memories, that he was going to . He deliberately went out not to battle Voldemort, but to let Voldemort him. He had no way of knowing or even suspecting what would happen. So yes, seeing Tonks, Remus and Fred, then Colin Creevey, gave him the courage to . It's his intent that is important here, not the end result. Just because he didn't , or didn't stay depending on your opinion, doesn't take away from the courage and power of that decision.
The other thing that inclines me to believe that Harry did in some way, is the effect that it had on Voldemort's charms/curses - they had no lasting effect. The Silencing Charm, the Bodybind Curse on Neville. This seems to have worked in the same way as Lily's original sacrifice. And like Harry, I doubt Lily knew that sacrificing her life in that way would save Harry. She was operating on love and gut instinct; that she would before she let Voldemort get to Harry.
I suppose another way to explain what happens to Harry after Voldemort's ing curse is that he "passed through ", but had no power over him for the reasons I've already suggested in my earlier posts. Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on October 27, 2008 4:45 PM
"Voldemart made Harry a horocrux. He didn't just make part of him a horocrux. So to destroy a horocrux, or in this case Harry, a human, you must him. Which means at one point Harry was , or else Voldemart would still be alive with one horrocrux left."
Good point, Nyx. I think it works like this; Even if Harry doesn't actually , he at least passes through . (See my earlier post.) But while Harry can pass through unscathed, the bit of Voldemort's soul that was attached to Harry's soul cannot pass through safely. It's ed and cast out of Harry. Does that work for you? Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on October 27, 2008 4:55 PM
Elizabeth
The thing is that harry was different. You through out some very good comments, but like you have said in the fisrt reply to me, Harry went to Kings Cross. I would say that is like the lobby of . And when Harry was in it, he decided he didn't want to go. The thing is, nobody actually gets that chance. When the normal person s, they have to go to , not make a last minute change in the lobby. Posted by Nyx on October 28, 2008 05:42 AM
Elizabeth
Good Point. I never thought of it like the part that is Voldemarts soul was ed, and Harry was cast out. I might actually like reading the book more, having a reason for why he "s" then comes back.
And you are right. The s of his friends gave him courage to go sacrifice himself, when he didn't know he was going to end up living. Posted by Nyx on October 28, 2008 05:46 AM
Elizabeth, I have understood and do understand all that you're saying in your response to my comment. I just didn't understand at first your first comment about having no power over H. I think now what you were referring to was D's comment (in King's Cross) that with Lily's protection in both of them, V. tethered H. to life while V. still lived. Is that what you were referring to? D. had believed that to be true at the end of GoF when he heard that V. had used H.'s actual blood to re-form as shown by his satisfaction when he heard. Once V. d, then H. is free--to at the end of his time. Posted by Alice from Newark (formerly Milton) on October 28, 2008 5:17 PM
Alice, that's exactly what I meant. I think perhaps I ought not to post late at night!
Nyx, if anything I said helped you to enjoy DH more I feel like I've done something useful. Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on October 30, 2008 05:00 AM
You have totally done something useful. when i read it again, i know that there is a good reason for all of it. Posted by Nyx on October 30, 2008 2:22 PM
But I am still confused about Snape. I gave my opinion in Snape Heel or Hero but no one has answered. Isn't he a heel? He never did anything nice to Harry, so he is no hero, but he never did something that entirely bad Posted by Nyx on November 22, 2008 5:35 PM
Snape was a rotten, mean slimeball. That he was a double-agent for the Order and loved Lily wasn't enough to make him a decent person. Even Jo Rowling said that he was evil and a bully. Posted by Perdita from Arlington, MA on November 23, 2008 7:39 PM
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