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by David Haber
These are the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Snape is not really a Death Eater, has remained loyal to Dumbledore, and all through the book, Snape is working on Dumbledore's Orders.
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I wholly support Ivar's theory - Snape was in love with Lily Evans, for Slugy said (paraphrased) that she had the uncommon ability to see the best in people when they themseleves could not see it. Snape was teased, bullied, and led to believe he was worthless and could get revenge with Voldemort, but Lily proved him wrong. She may have cared for him in some way, and for that Snape loved her. Her caused the anguish in his soul, even though he didn't her - but his love saved him, and he truly regretted ever getting involved, and joined with Dumbledore. Though he hates Harry, he protects him and teaches him because he is his mother's son. Them there eyes.
Posted by Kaitlyn from Irvine, CA on October 9, 2006 9:20 PM
The memories that Harry has witnessed all show Lily really disliking James. So why and when did that change? Did James give Lily a love potion and Snape knew about(or even made) it? Why did Lily go to James? That is a key question too.
Posted by Sharon from Michigan on October 10, 2006 09:46 AM
When Snape and Potter were having the private lessons, Snape was able to pick up Harry's memories to being chased by a dog and being laughed at by the Dursleys. Harry receives flashes of Snape's childhood memories, including being laughed at by a girl when he was trying to fly on a broom. So far, it can't backed with evidence, but I can't lose the feeling that Petunia Dursley was the girl who was laughing at Snape.
It is possible that Snape may have joined the Order of the Phoenix out of regret to the Potters, but he may have started to resent the Order since his enemy's son is the 'Chosen One' and decided to return to the Eaters. The Dumbledore's plead was for Snape not to return to Voldemort.
Either way, as a friend of mine said, "Snape is toast."
Posted by Linda from Fort Wayne, IN on October 10, 2006 1:16 PM
Yes, there is definately more to Petunia than meets the eye. Haven't quite figured it out yet. But for being a "muggle" she sure knows alot about the magical world, more than a sister would. Maybe she is magical but has renounced it when her sister was ed? THink, think, think.......
Posted by Sharon from Michigan on October 10, 2006 6:04 PM
Im sorry Michigan, but Rowling has announced that Petunia doesn't have any magical ss and she never had. But however, it is true that there is more behind Petunia than meets the eye. She knows more of the wizzard's world then you might expect, and probably this be important for the last chapter of Harry's journey.
Some whisper that she knows about Snape as well...I guess she has some information for Harry. About what? Hell, can't figure it out, it is ing me.
Posted by Ivar on October 12, 2006 03:51 AM
Is it possible that Petunia was once married to a wizard? Possibly one ed by Voldemort in the early days of the war?
Posted by Saint Cad from Los Angeles on October 12, 2006 07:45 AM
I think that Petunia Dursley knows so much about the wizarding world because she had a sister who was a witch and that, unlike Harry, Lily lived in a house where she was found INTERESTING, not MONSTROUS, this means that Harry's Mother-side grandparents have been interested in the wizarding world as they were muggles.
Anyway, I do not believe that Petunia was once married to a wizard, basically because she hates everything that has to do with the wizarding world, she was greatly jealous of her sister being center of attention.
I have an interesting question: Did the Potters know of the Prophecy? I mean, in PoA, the conversation that Harry, Ron and Hermione overhear in The Three Broomsticks between Flitwick, McGonagall, Hagrid, Fudge and Madam Rosmerta goes:
Fudge: "Not many people are aware that the Potters knew You-Know-Who was after them. Dumbledore, who was of course working tirelessly against You-Know-Who, had a number of useful spies. One of them tipped him off, and he alerted James and Lily at once." (PoA, A.E., C. 10, P. 204)
Yo read several things here:
For starters, Lily and James knew that Voldemort was after them. Did they know why? Did they know about the Prophecy.
If they didn't, Dumbledore alerted them about Voldemort going for them. Did he tell them then about the Prophecy?
Dumbledore had a number of useful SPIES, plural, we know about Snape, who else? Who tipped Dumbledore about Voldemort's intentions?
Fudge reffers to Lily and James AS "Lily and James", not "the Potters", therefore, he must have, most probably, known them personally, because you don't speak of someone with their names unless you know them in some degree. As he (Fudge) was Junior Minister in the Department of Magical Catastrophies (PoA, A.E., C. 10, P. 208), could this be an indicator of what Lily and James did? We can rule out teaching because they left Harry TONS of gold and in HBP we read that Slugorn complains about not making much money teaching, reckoning he can sell 100 Galleons a pint the Acromantula Poison. Well, the Potter's life is something JKR should reveal in HP7.
Another question, in HP1, Hagrid says that he took Harry out of the house that was almost in ruins, we know that Voldemort went, ed once, ed the second time and got what was left of his soul ripped off his body, what happened to the house and how come it was almost in ruins? We can assume that he didn't go destroying the house before ing because that would be simply stupid, something like "What an ugly roof let's tear it down... Oops, I'm inside, the roof fell on my head." The destruction of the place in such degree has to be done from the outside, who destroyed it? Was it the same person that took Voldemort's wand?
Posted by Ra�l Llavaneras from San Antonio de Los Altos, Venezuela on October 13, 2006 12:06 AM
Omg, i have SO much to comment on. First off, DAVE YOU ARE FABULOUS! Now, being the strong Snape supporter that I am, many of the "clues about Snape" came as review for me. I quote Lucy Smith who said, "'Snape saw his reflection in Moody's Foe-glass.' Now if Snape was a eater, why he be a foe of Crouch?" To this I say, "BRILLIANT! OMG THIS IS AMAZING!" I mean, who coulda thought of this? Thank you so so so much! I'm totally gonna remember that one for my arguments with my other HP-obsessive friends.;)
I was enlightened when Ivar reminded us that even though Snape doesn't know about the Horcruxes, he saved Dumbledore after he returned from destroying that part of Voldemort's soul.
I quote the Anonymous commenter who says "Ivar has a point.";D
I love Snape so much, and when Kevin from Caco, ME pointed out that Snape still teaches Harry during his flee, I felt all warm and fuzzy inside. There is SO MUCH evidence showing that snape isn't a true Eater! I tip my hat to you, Kevin. Er, i would if I had a hat...lol.
The clue you (Dave) gave about DD not begging for his life makes me smile. I feel proud, solely because that's one of the clues I found when I first reread HBP and I am most proud of it. I just wanted to express that. Pointless, yes, but it means a lot to me that people recognize and accept this theory.
Let me answer Iggy's question: "So why then would Professor Snape have stopped Professor Quirrell during the quidditch match when he was jynxing the broom if he infact is still a eater?" See, Snape is for the Light, yes, so he wouldn't want Harry to , no. However, I believe Rowling reveals the reason Snape saved Harry in SS when DD tells Harry that b/c of his to James ("saving his life" from Remus, a subject that is controversial) he had to save Harry to get square with the late James.
Dave's idea that Snape read Narcissa's mind is VERY intriguing! I must remember these! And WHAT forced him to fling the curtains closed? Was it internal, or perhaps something/one outside? Will we ever know?
Gotta question for Barry Stein and his theory on Snape's UV: Why would he need to make one if he truely cares for Lily? And who would be their Binder? And the he owes James must be fulfilled in the same way it was given, I believe JKR states that in one of the books... POA i believe...
Okay, I stand by what Lilac says completely. With JK, you really gotta read between the lines. She really is brilliant in that respect. B/c of course if you don't try to analyze anything you read in the HP books, you're going to think Snape's evil, Dumbledore's , and Fleur Delacour is brainless.
Oh, and one thing I sure hope to learn about in Bk7 is what happened to Snape that made him so touchy with being accused of Cowardice... Interesting...
Oh, btw, GO IVAR! Whoever told you that theory is hecka tite. Tell them I send them Kudos:). But ya, I stand behind Ivar completely, I believe.
Sharon (MI), I want to know the answer to your question dearly as well! Why DID Lily go to James?
LOL! Raul omg ur hilarious! But yes, I quite agree with you!
Oh, dear the conversation has moved from Snape to the late Potters! Oh dear! Lol.
Much much much love!
Posted by Frances from Berkeley, California on October 14, 2006 3:31 PM
Maybe dumbledore never thought snape was on his side...because i remember somewhere in book 6- when harry asked dumbledore if he really trusted snape..dumbledore was 'battling with himself' maybe to tell harry he didn't really trust him. But he didn't tell harry...because he knew harry and snape hated eachother and maybe snape would use occlumency on harry to find out dumbledore never really trusted him?
Posted by nick from Caerdydd on October 15, 2006 04:46 AM
"And here we have six missing Eaters... three in my service. One too cowardly to return... he pay. ONE, WHO I BELIEVE HAS LEFT ME FOREVER... he be ed, of course... and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already re-entered my service."
pg 565, HP-GoF
The one who has left him forever.. that would be Snape, would it not? Which means that Voldemort wouldn't think that Snape was playing both sides.. so Snape truly is on Dumbledore's side?
Although all these clues throughout the website are convincing.. I think most may all be fluke.. Unfortunately, I truly think Dumbledore is, in fact, . JK has tried to make it clear and I can't see her lying..
Posted by Kelsey on October 15, 2006 11:52 AM
Well, the story goes on, so it seems. Let's discuss this further, because there are some different points made up here which - maybe - could lead to the only one and same end. Don't forget we have only one book more to come, with one end. I do not expect a rain of conclusions on all those mathers, simply because it would feel confusing if there is not one, big, powerfull conclusion but instead a lot of small anwsers which create a psychose on all of us.
Nick, you're in one way right I quess. Dumbledore didn't told his reason for trusting Snape to Harry because it would really set him up: not a good idea to anger and confuse someone before you go out hunting horcruxes don't you think? Well, again: skip back to the Snape Loves Lilly theory I pointed out here (as well as others did, I believe)and you have the reason why Dumbledore decided not to tell Harry about this mather. PLus Dumbledore indicated more then once he trusted Snape with his life - he did literally, to visit Snape with his wounded hand by the Ring-Horcrux
Raul, you've told very interesting things. In fact, you gave a very good reason for something I was always asking myself - till now. The question: was: how to prove myself of the fact I believe James, or Lily, or both were working on...The Department of Mystification. Hey, wasn't there...any prophecy? And...isn't Love the thing that would help Harry getting rid of Voldemort and saving the day?
Strange thing in The Order of the Phenix was we didn't read the job's of Harry's parents. Harry himself was working on his job-future, but he never asked himself: what were my parents doing? Rowling slightly indicated that she couldn't reveal the anwser, because it would be to important for giving away already. So I created the feeling inside of me: One or two of his parents must have worked on the Department of Mystification!
Not much prove at all, expect some feelings and healthy thinking, and Raul, you brought the sun a long with this subject! Fudge ideed referres to 'James and Lily', so he must have known them personally. Prove one! And, we know that you can make a lot of money on the Ministry of Magic. An important Department like the Mystification would bring a lot of cash in the pockets of the employes...
It wouldn't be that hard to imagine that James and Lily were aware of Harry 'being The One'. Either Dumbledore told them (He was close with James, he said that himself in 'Prisoner of Azkaban) or they found out on work. You see, 'the never asked question' was, according to Rowling, why did James gave his cloak to Dumbledore? She said that concerns some crucial information. Well, there is a red line between so many subjects: Main Subject = Love = Snape is good = Department of Mystification = The job of James or Lilly or both = The Prophecy = The Cloak and back. With Love coming back in almost every important happening in every book...
Where does this leave our beloved Petunia? Well, that's why she is ing me. Maybe, you don't know, I don't know, she knows Snape (His name) She knew about Voldemort and the Dementors as well, and why woulnd't Lily talked about the lonely, poor boy Severus, like sisters talk about boys? Is that the 'magical information' she'll reveal to Harry in Book Seven? And you can plug Petunia right in the Line Of Love and Snape and everything...(?)
Posted by Ivar on October 15, 2006 12:39 PM
"She knew about Voldemort and the Dementors as well, and why woulnd't Lily talked about the lonely, poor boy Severus, like sisters talk about boys?"
Ivar: I honestly doubt that Petunia and Lily would talk about boys, basically because Petunia HATED Lily for two things:
-She thought she was a monster, abnormal, dreadful, call it what you want, and if you think so poorly of someone you don't go and ask "Hey, what are the people like in your School of Weirdos?"
-She was secretly jealous of Lily, not for being a witch, but because their parents considered her (Lily) wonderful. It's sibling rivalry. Everyone who has brothers or sisters here and have been jealous of them sometime (as is my case) can understand what Petunia must have felt like towards Lily.
Now, Petunia knew of the Dementors, Harry asked how she did, and she answered:
"I heard - that awful boy - telling her about them - years ago." (OotP AE, C2, P32)
That means that Petunia must have known James. For what other reason would Lily bring a GUY home if it wasn't a boyfriend to meet her parents? Who else would she invite? I don't see a girl inviting some random guy to her house.
And Petunia knows about Voldemort because of the letter that Dumbledore left her with Harry the night when Voldemort ed the Potters, remember that back in book 1?
By the way: Lily and James, IF they worked in the Department of Mysteries, the wouldn't have been able of knowing about what the Prophecy MEANT, and they would have only known ABOUT the prophecy if one of them had registered it, because the only ones who can touch the Prophecies are who they're about and who registered it, and if it is like this, neither Lily nor James registered it because the Prophecy was modified. Well, not modified, but updated, it said:
"S.P.T. to A.P.W.B.D.
and (?) Harry Potter" (OotP, AE, C. 24, P. 780)
And that couldn't have been done until AFTER the attack, so it wouldn't have been one the Potters because they were, well, DEAD!
Posted by Ra�l Llavaneras from San Antonio de Los Altos, Venezuela on October 15, 2006 3:14 PM
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