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by David Haber
These are the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Snape is not really a Death Eater, has remained loyal to Dumbledore, and all through the book, Snape is working on Dumbledore's Orders.
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Reader Comments: (Page 24)
Shelley, very good point about Dumbledore testifying.
How did Hagrid know of the location then, didn't he say Dumbledore sent him?
Dumbledore must have had some way of monitoring the Potters or some inside information from someone undercover tailing Voldemort. I believe this informant was Snape. He alerted Dumbledore and the Order of the Phoenix as to Voldemort's destination, and would not have had to mention the Potters at all, as they were #1 on Voldemort's most wanted list.
Posted by Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts on February 27, 2007 6:47 PM
agreed that snape could have been working on dumbledore's orders, but dumbledore has to be , otherwise snape would have been because of the unbreakable vow.
Posted by Samdrisht Singh on February 27, 2007 11:27 PM
The HBP potions book may have been meant to get to Harry by some charm. As it was mentioned that Ron was unable to read the writing. And could it be a clue to professor snape being a good guy. Harry felt that the person that wrote it was ok. this maybe the green eyes, and the good within guiding him. Reason, to give Harry more proof when the time comes that professor snape is really on his side, this being more important than the cheating that Hermione pointed out. Having previously said he has an almost fatherly attitude to draco. I am becoming convinced of his allegiance to professor Dumbledore.
Posted by gordon from uk on March 1, 2007 10:24 AM
I dont think Draco's task was to Dumbledore [although it may seem this way]. I think Draco's task was to get the Eaters inside Hogwarts while Dumbledore was gone so that the Eaters would have a clear field, which he succeded in. The way I sees it, Voldy told Snape to go and Dumbles while Draco's task was to let them into the castle. This way Dumbledore isn't and Snivellus didn't break the Unbreakable Vow (no matter how much I wish he had).
Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 1, 2007 12:32 PM
To take your position one step further, what if Harry's mother and Snape were Potions partners?
Slughorn praised Lily's abilities in potions, what if she too took advantage of the Half-Blood Prince sitting next to her. (Like mother,like son?) Snape wouldn't get credit from Slughorn who only notices those he wants to, but Snape, having a crush on Lily wouldn't care. If Lily were seen by James to be spending time with Snape, maybe even enjoying his company, that would be plenty of reason to torment him.
Hermione mentioned that the Prince could be a girl,maybe she was half right about the Half Blood Prince.
Posted by Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts on March 2, 2007 10:10 AM
Wow. I havent been on in a while. I just read the last 5 pages and I am impressed with everyone's thoughts. It's funny. Through books1-5, I never thought much of Snape. Just thought he was your average loser. But the wierd thing is, as I was reading the 6th book for the first time, I started getting more and more confidence in Snape. Everytime I read the scenes of him "showing betrayal to Dumbledore", I was more convinced he was good. The scene with Bella and Narcissa, the scen with Malfoy regarding the plan, and finally ing Dumbledore. As I read those I thought Snape was good, playing the double agent for Dumbledore. For those of you who believe that Snape is the chosen one, go back to book six where Trelawny and Dumbledore tell us (and Harry, obviously) that Snape told Voldemort about the prophecy. As for the scene where Snape is with Malfoy. He tries to use Legilimency and the readers ASSUMED he failed (including myself). But we know Snape is sa good actor. Maybe he did not fail and found out Malfoys whole plan. And I agree with whoever it was (I'm sorry!) that, had Harry learned Occlumency from anyone else he might have succeeded. If Dumbledore told him to practice while he is asleep, I'm sure Harry would have listened. Also, regarding the dog that Snape sees in Harry's memory belonged to Harry's Aunt Marge. She is on Uncle Vernon's side of the family so how would Snape recognize the dog?
Posted by Marc Silverman from Arizona on March 2, 2007 10:19 AM
Mark: that's very interesting. I hadn't thought of Snape lying to Malfoy, but it makes sense. He lied as well to Bellatrix months before.
Patty: I was wondering if the book was Snape's or Eileen Prince's. Maybe, Eileen Prince was herself the potion's specialist, and Snape and Lily got their ss directly from it, the same way that Harry did. Just a thought.
Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 2, 2007 10:55 AM
You could be right, although I didn't Snape say that he was the HBP, at the end of book 6?
I think Snape is a brilliant wizard, in the same vein as Dumbledore and Voldemort. He is extremely knowledgable about the Dark Arts, and I think that he invented the spells in the potions book. But, the comment from Hermione makes me think a girl was involved, whether it was Eileen or Lily.
Posted by Patty from Quincy MA on March 3, 2007 06:58 AM
Marc, good point about Snape lying to Malfoy. When he asked Draco about what he was trying to hide from his master, I assumed that Snape could not get through his thoughts--that Draco had succeeded in occlumency. But you make a good argument. Snape probably got through anyway, and lied that he couldn't. Once again, confirming that Snape is good---deep down. kudos!
Patty and Herve, I also think that Lily and Snape may have been potion partners. When Slugghorn praises Harry for his potion work (straight from the HBP's book) he comments that he is Lily's son--that he has Lily's talent. Clearly she was using this book. Was it Lily's handwriting? Did she invent those spells with Snape? By herself? But Snape admits that he himself is the half blood prince...that it was his spells. Confused.
Posted by Heather from NJ on March 3, 2007 8:20 PM
RAB is probably the name of Sirius Blacks brother: Regulus A. Black. On page 104 of the book HP and the order of the Phoenix, Sirius tells Harry that his brother joined the Eaters, and that he was ed by Voldemort or one of his Eaters... Probably because Voldemort knew that he destroyed one of his horcrux.
Posted by Safia from Belgium on March 4, 2007 06:25 AM
Im wondering how my beloved Padfoot knew exactly why Voldy had decided to Regulus. If he didn't get on so friendly with his brother would Regulus seriously tell him about his plots involving Voldemort?
I agree with you, Patty, and Herve that Lily and Snape could have been partners in Potions. Perhaps Lily did invent those spells, I don't really think it matters whether it was all her or both of them. I think that Snape was in Slytherin and therefore did as much to disassociate himself with Lily as possible, which is why she ran to help him in the Pensieve scene, and he called her a Mudblood. So I think that Lily/ Lily and Snape invented those spells together, but being the greedy freakazoid that he is Snape claimed the credit.
Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 4, 2007 1:42 PM
I think that Snape was using his Mother's old potions book. And that she invented those spells, that the handwriting was hers. Harry checked the publication date and determined that it had been around too long to have belonged to his father after speaking with Lupin over the Holidays.
I just kind of assumed that Snape's family was pretty poor, from the description of the house in Spinner's End, and because his father was a muggle, and we get the idea that he was an abusive father and husband, from the memory.
If you are poor you wouldn't buy new books when your Mum's old books would work just fine.
Lupin said of Snape that he showed up at Hogwarts in his first year knowing more dark magic and spells and curses than most 6th years, or something along those lines. I kind of assumed that Snape's mother had taught him most of everything in her old books before he took the classes. Remember in the very first lesson in SS/PS, he was pretty peeved that most of them had not bothered to crack a book prior to coming to Hogwarts. The only one of them that had bothered was Hermonie, and she was Muggle born. I think Hermonie must remind Snape a lot of Lily really. I don't think he really loved Lily, I think she irrirated him because she beat him sometimes, because she was such a good student.
I think when JKR says that Snape has been loved by someone, she just meant that his mother loved him. I do not think Snape's mother is either, I think Dumbledore and Snape faked her , so Dumbledore could hide her incase Snape's cover was ever blown. Because of the conversation that Dumbledore had with Malfoy, when he said, "He can't you if you are already , we can go get your mother, and hide her too". It seemed to me that Dumbledore had done this kind of thing before.
Posted by karen from texas on March 4, 2007 2:41 PM
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