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by David Haber
These are the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Snape is not really a Death Eater, has remained loyal to Dumbledore, and all through the book, Snape is working on Dumbledore's Orders.
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I am sorry Nat. I too believed that Dumbledore and Snape faked his . I had so much evidence pointing to it (If you want to read it, it starts on page 10 or 11). I brought up many good points as to how Dumbledore could not be . But then I read something that broke my heart. It was an interview with J. K. Rowling. She said, "Dumbledore is . Do not expect him to pull a Gandalf". Just in case you have never seen Lord Of the Rings, Gandalf was a great wizard who came back from the "". I as sad to read that. I wanted Dumbledore to be alive.
Posted by Marc Silverman from Tucson, AZ on February 5, 2007 09:57 AM
Well, that's true:-) Dumbledore is ! I've never doubted it since JKR stated many years ago that no character is coming back from the other side. (At that time people were speculating about the revival of Harry's parents).
Although, recently JKR unambiguosly stated that SNAPE IS GOOD! She reinforced Dumbledore's real in the next sentence, though...
Posted by Peter Ledochowitsch from Santa Barbara on February 7, 2007 12:10 AM
I don't think Harry Potter is the chosen one. I think the shocker is that Snape is the chosen one.
Hear me out. You actually have to put it together out of two books, maybe all of them. One is when Harry learns about the 1st prophecy about the 'approach' of the chosen one. The second is in the last book when he learns that Snape was eavsedropping just outside the door.
It's not like Trelawney's predictions have been spot on as far as what the characters have predicted/expected. When she gave the prediction about Voldemorts servant returning, we were at first lead to believe that it was Sirius...ahh, but it wasn't, it was Wormtail.
Why wouldn't JKR pull another such twist? We are lead to believe from day one that Harry is the chosen one, but Snape was 'approaching' outside the door when Trelawney was making her prediction. He's got a eaters mark, marking him as Voldemorts equal. Do we know when he was born or anything about his parents?
It also helps make sense of Dumbledores babbling while drinking the potion. He knows Harry isn't really the chosen one. He's always been vague when explaining things to Harry. He knows that he's mislead everyone and is pleading/apologizing for the pain and suffering that everyone is going to go through because of the deception.
But it's still for the greater good... the destruction of Voldemort.
Has this been brought up before, I've not seen it on any of the other threads? Can somebody please shoot some holes in my theory, I came to this conclusion after reading the last book and haven't been able to talk myself out of it.
Posted by Jenna Fairhaven from North Carolina on February 7, 2007 07:29 AM
While I agree that JKR is good for making twists in the plot and making things appear differently than they really are, I don't think Snape can be the chosen one because he wasn't born at the right time. If I remember correctly (please forgive me for not looking this up), the prophecy talked about a child being born during a certain time, and something their parents would do. Snape doesn't fit the one category about when he was born, therefore it can't be him. However, it could be Neville. I think that Neville coming forward and being the end of Voldemort would surprise everyone. Voldemort certainly wouldn't be expecting it.
Posted by Kim Davis from PRinceton, West Virginia on February 7, 2007 08:02 AM
But did it specify a year? All it alluded to was a month of the year. Did it specifically mention a child, or was that a Dumbledore supposition? I can't remember. And we don't know about Snapes parents, or when his birthday fell.
Either way, Snapes would be much more capable in defeating Voldemort. From the mind block/to dueling/to potions, he may not be the nicest, but he knows his stuff.
Harry has an untapped power yes, but is that his own or a side effect being cursed with part of Voldmort (some think he's a horcrux). Harry's scraped through on luck or by others interventions in most of the dire situtations.
Posted by Jenna Fairhaven from North Carolina on February 7, 2007 09:28 AM
Jenna, Snape's birthday was recently announced on JKR's website. It's in January. I don't remember the date, but it might have been Jan. 8th. Does anyone else? (I know, you think i'ld remember the exact date, as he is my favorite character)
But i think that answers the question---he was not born "as the seventh month s".
Posted by Heather from NJ on February 7, 2007 10:36 AM
Severus Snape's birthday is 9 January.
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on February 7, 2007 10:40 AM
Jenna: It could well be that Snape be there to help Harry to defeat Voldemort, but I don't believe he is the chosen one!
This would mean Dumbledore had it all wrong. But first thing first. Severus Snape's birthday is January 9th. 1959-60 and not in July as the Prophecy foretells.
Just to make sure here are the exact words from the Prophecy:
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month s... And the Dark Lord mark him as his equal, but he have power the Dark Lord knows not... And either must at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives... The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord be born as the seventh month s..
Another fact we know for sure, is that he is the son of a Muggle - Tobias Snape and pure-blood witch Eileen Prince! His parents are never mentioned to have thrice defied Voldemort.
I also belong to the sleuth's who believe that Neville play an important part in the destruction of Voldemort.
Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on February 7, 2007 10:54 AM
Snape had no idea of the plan Draco Malfoy was going to perform in Hogwarts when he was met by “Cissy” and “Bella” in the beginning of Book Six. He could not get the truth out of them through Legilimency but pretended he knew about the plan. However, Narcissa employed the Unbreakable Vow to test his loyalty to Voldemort and to protect her son. Snape agreed to the Vow, but only later on in the book did he find out of the plan of the Vanishing Cabinet AND for Malfoy to be ordered to Dumbledore. The Vow of which Narcissa asked Snape to promise him said “And you finish the task, if Draco fails?”, but when they find out, it is already too late. Dumbledore decides that there is no way out it and in the end, Snape is forced to Dumbledore because Draco “is not a er”.
Posted by Will from Maryland, United States on February 7, 2007 1:48 PM
Will, I agree with you on your first point---that Snape did not know the plan when Narcissa and Bellatrix came to his house. However, Snape is a master at Legilimency, and I DO think that he learned of the plan through Narcissa at that time. If you recall Snape keeps eye contact with narcissa (Legilimency) and avoids eye contact with Bellatrix (Occlumency). That's how I saw it.
Once again, I think that Snape went ahead with the Unbreakable Vow, because he and Dumbeldore already had their own plan, being that when the time was right, Snape was to "" Dumbledore.
Anyway, Snape did not know HOW Draco was planning on ing Dumbledore throughout the book, which clearly was the cause for snape's fustration.
Posted by Heather from NJ on February 7, 2007 8:19 PM
Marc: oh well thats really shattering if he is. i mean when i first read the book i believed he was . but when i found this site i had some hope that he might still be alive. i read on one of the other topics that he might have made a horcrux, and if JK actually said dumbledore is , then maybe that theory might be right. i dunno... i wish he wasn't though =(
Posted by Nat from New Zealand on February 7, 2007 9:56 PM
Speaking of Harry, Snape, and Trelawney...
In GOP CH 13 pg. 200: "I was saying my dear that you were clearly born under the baleful influence of Saturn," Said Professor Trelawney
"Born under - what sorry?" said Harry.
"Saturn,dear, the planet Saturn!" said Trelawney." I was saying that Saturn was surely in a position of power in the heavens at the moment of your birth...your dark hair...your mean stature...tragic losses so young in life...I think I am right in saying, my dear, that your were born in midwinter?"
"No, said Harry,"I was born in July."
Snape was born Jan 9, and is a Capicorn.
Capricorn, a feminine negative cardinal earth sign is ruled by Saturn. This is the tenth sign of zodiac that extends from December 23rd to 20th January.The sign of Capricorn is an earthy sign and ruled by the planet Saturn.
The sign of Capricorn rules the knees, the skin, the joints, and the hair. The skin of a Capricorn person is often sallow and dry. Doesn't J.K. make alot of descriptions of Snape's hair and skin?
Concerning the prophesy, I believe Harry is the one. However, could it be there is a possible conection, a blood connection, between Snape and Harry? Trelawney seems to get her wires crossed around Snape and Harry.
"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches." (on a side note, can this be taken as only the immediate present tense or can it also mean the future tense?)
Perhaps Trelawney sensed the blood of the chosen one in Snape?
Which one of Harry's parents...Lily, possibly..
OoTP Ch 2 pg.32 Aunt Petunia, "I heard that awful boy telling her about them - years ago."
OoTp Ch 26 p592 Harry is seeing Snape's memories...A girl was laughing as a scrawny boy was trying to mount a bucking broomstick. (Snape conveniently breaks the connection)
OoTp Ch28 Lily sticking up for Snape.
HBP Hermione making the claim the writing is feminine
HBP Ch 10 p195 Trelawney's tarot cards as she passes Harry
HBP Ch 24 p527-528. Harry and Snape speaking about the definition of a nickname.
In closing my very long post...Slughorn seems to relate Harry's s of potions to his mom. Harry is using Snape's book.
Just shove a bezoar down their throat...could the HBP been telling this to someone? Slughorn seemed to be reminded of Lily when Harry opened his hand.
Posted by Asidi from Ak on February 7, 2007 10:25 PM
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