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Severus Snape v. The Ministry of Magic
by J.K. Rich
After reading Book Six in the Harry Potter saga, millions of Harry Potter fans were devastated to learn that after it all�after all the warnings and signs�Severus Snape is, in fact, evil. And, even more devastating�he had killed Professor Dumbledore right in front of The Boy That Lived. Or did he?
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We've got to face it: Dumbledore is . At first I thought he wasn't, but now I know he is. I also think that Snape ed the headmaster on his orders. Harry probably be able to talk to Dumbledore through the portrait in his office. I just want everyone to know that when I found out that Dumbledore was , I was sad and subdued for a whole day.
Posted by Emily Davis from Santa Fe, New Mexico on July 11, 2007 08:05 AM
Wow Aaron, your comment was just shocking!
I hadn't think about the possibility of Madame Pince being an anagram for "I am Prince".
It's a very good bet, and a very possible possibility.
Posted by Thiago Leite Cruz from Bel�m, Par�, Brazil on July 12, 2007 4:08 PM
i've been rereading the books looking for clues, and i think i found some. going along with the theories about what could concievably have happened. one thing here: if snape is evil dumbledore is likely . if not, he may or may not be. that's three options, and so it's twice as likely he's not. but that means nothing.
anyway, on the mystery of the flying avada kedavra, *if* snape is not evil then he couldn't have ed dumbeldor with the avada kedavra, but probubly used some sort of nonverbal spell like they've been learning about. people have suggested a really powerful expeliarmus, like we've seen before, but if i remember the description right, expeliarmus just blasts the person backwards and avada kedavra they just fall, but dumbeldore flew backwards hovered for a moment and then fell over the side of the tower. if so, this couldn't be expeliarmus, but there is another spell it could be: wingardium leviosa. it's the exact same description, go check it out in book 1 with the troll. same thing. so
~if snape didn't actualy use avada kedavra, like it looks like he didn;t then
~he must be hiding something because if he were evil, he would have been able to use it, but since the description is sso different, i don't believe he was which means
~he was hiding something rom voldemort which he would not do if he were loyal
~ and is therefore likely not all bad.
~if it wasn't avada kedavra, which it most likely wasn't (and if it was real, fawx would have totaly stoped it like he did in order of the pheonix)
~then it's more likely snape? evil so
~it's more likely dumbedore either knew he was going to or planned it or diddn't ()
~ and if it wasn't avada kedavra or something that rendered him uncapable of using magic (which wingardium leviosa shouldn't do) he could easily have lowered himself to the ground gently like he did with hary in the quiditch match in book 3
~so he wouldn't be
~unless he didn't on purpose or for some reason decided to fake his and use harry as a witness (if dumbeldore could use magic he's probubly not and he could also have brocken the spell on harry, w/o )
but that still doesn't explain the body. still, for a wizard who can literealy draw a chair in mid air and make it solid (book 3) faking a corpse shouldn't be that hard.
but faking his like that, without telling anyone, is, something no one has mentioned i believe, too cruel for dumbledor. he knew or knows what his do to people, it may even cause them to abandon hope, which he can't in good consience want (hm...)and it at the moment seems to serve no apparent point or purpose. there is very little that would be gained by faking his own , i mean voldemort might get more confident and dumbeldor would be safe, but he's not afraid of voldemort so why should he go into hiding? for faking his own is basicaly the same thing as hiding. and can any of us really imagine *Albus Dumbledor* hiding? it's about as ridiculous as begging for his own life.
i suppose it would make voldemort trust snape more, but there are surely easier, more convinient ways of doing that without hurting the good guys quite so much.
hope this helps.
Posted by Raven on July 12, 2007 9:18 PM
If Snape didn't send a real Avada Kedavra, he had his reasons. I can find three of them:
- There are some charms at Hogwarts to protect Dumbledore, those charms would have been automatically casted, and that was dangerous for Harry and Snape himself.
- ing Dumbledore by throwing him out is a . Using an Avada Kedavra is unforgivable. Much worse.
- Dumbledore could choose not to , as long as he was falling down. Then, the fact he s is his choice. It can be a way of fulfilling the UV (if Malfoy's work is having Dumbledore , it's done), without making Snape a er.
Posted by herve from strasbourg on July 13, 2007 10:41 AM
I live on the assumption that that Snape did not really perform the AK curse. He really did another nonverbal spell throwing Dumbledore over the edge of thw tower. I think I may have found a clue to indicate that Dumbledore may have been able to survive the fall.
In PoA after Harry falls during the Quittich match due to the dementors. We read "Lucky the ground was so soft."
"I thought he was for sure."
"But he didn't even break his glasses."
I find it interesting that Harry fell from a great height and survived. Once again, assuming that Dumbledore was just thrown over the edge, why couldn't he have prevented himself from major impact. He could have survived. This would go along with the fact that he looked as if he could have been sleeping (HBP---i don't have the real quote in fromt of me). it is clear to me that his was staged.
Posted by Heather from NJ on July 13, 2007 5:50 PM
You may be right about most of things you said about Snape but I strongly disagree about
Snape never wanting a friend, otherwise he wouldn�t have joined Voldemort. He obviously wanted to be accepted, not only that, but Voldemort and his Eaters were also at the time were rising to power and like they said �If your not with Voldemort, your against him� Snape could probably be a huge help to Voldemort because they practice the Dark Arts which is something that Snape has a knack for but also happens to be a subject frowned down upon in the wizarding society who always rejected him. Although I don�t think it is power that Snape is after, it would be a way to get acceptance along with recoginiton for his talents. And these people wouldn�t judge him so he felt that here he could do something he enjoyed while being accepted by others. I think that he always wanted a friend but didn�t know how to react to them when they were nice to him, seeing as no one ever was with the exception of Lily.
I think Snape turned to the Orders� side with the of Lily. I think that Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily out of friendship, respect, service, or whatever and when Voldemort ed her anyway, he felt betrayed and unvalued. Thus alone again. Snape isn�t really the type to beg favors from anyone, but I believe he did for Lily. I believe this because his turn seemed to coinside immediately with her . Snape probably realized then that Voldemort gives and values no true friendship. So Snape was once again betrayed and feeling left alone again.
Posted by Heather from Charlevoix, MI on July 14, 2007 8:33 PM
You know what would be a twist in the end of the series? If maybe it be Harry who sacrifices himself for Snape which would finally prove that there is a difference between him and his father. I know it seems kind of far out, but then again JKR does like to surprise us.
Or maybe Snape sacrifice himself for either Harry or Draco (he�s already shown that he would be ing to for either of them.) He protected Harry when his broom was being cursed by Quirrel and protected all three of the children from Lupin when he turned into a werewolf. And he protected Draco in HBP when he made that Unbreakable Vow to Narcissa that he would help Draco if needed. That one, I think is more likely for him to do, although I hope that Snape, Draco, nor Harry in the 7th book. I guess we�ll have to wait and see in another 6 days.
Posted by Heather from Charlevoix, MI on July 14, 2007 9:53 PM
If Snape were really a Eater I think he would have had Harry expelled for using an illegal curse on Draco in the bathroom in the 6th book. That would have been his ultimate opportunity to make sure Harry was far far away from anyone who could help him. Dumbledore could do nothing and he would have no one to protect him. He�d be a sitting duck. Alone and defenseless, awaiting for Voldemort to strike. That, is yet another reason why I think Snape is actually good. You can see my other reasons on pg.20 under the same topic.
Posted by Heather from Charlevoix, MI on July 14, 2007 10:11 PM
I just had a thought, Dumbledore knew that the Defense Against the Dark Arts job was cursed since he refused it to Voldemort several decades ago. If that's the case, then why exactly did he appoint Snape to the post, knowing that beforehand?
I think he had a lot of this planned up to a year in advance, to arrange the teacher's posts like that.
Posted by Steven from MD on July 14, 2007 10:37 PM
Interesting theories. One literary reference you forgot that did conquer is the great cat Aslan in the Chronicles of Narnia. Aslan does in fact and does in fact come back from the , but that is an obvious reflection of Jesus Christ. If Dumbledore does come back from the , I think many Christians finally stop saying it is so terrible to talk about witchcraft. I am a theologian myself and I've discovered countless connection points between the Christian story and the Harry Potter series. Thanks for your thoughts.
Posted by Andy on July 15, 2007 2:23 PM
steven, exactly. dumbldore knows that each year a new DADA teacher must be found. when he assigned Snape to the job, both knew that it would be a one year stint. it goes with what i've (and others) have been saying all along. dumbledore and snape have been planning this "" for at least a year. it's all part of their grand plan to have voldemort think dumbledore is gone.
Posted by Heather from NJ on July 15, 2007 5:31 PM
about lily's/harry's eyes. In POA in the film lupin says that lily "could see the good in people, even when they couldn't see it themselves". Maybe harry see the good in supposedly evil people in DH such as Snape or Malfoy etc.? And this could be the clue about the last book in the third film that JKR mentioned? Does anyone else think the same?
Posted by steve from england on July 16, 2007 09:18 AM
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