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by David Haber
On August 2, 2006, at the second night of the Harry, Carrie, and Garp event at Radio City Music Hall in New York City, J.K. Rowling says Dumbledore is . But is that the whole story? How does what J.K. has said relate to all of the clues and theories on this site?
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well about the dumbledore is sleeping part, in the beginning of the half blood prince book, the first potions lesson was about the draught of living . when snape tried to dumbledore, he didn't mean it, you have to mean unforgivable curses to make them work. so when dumbledore fell off the tower he magically lowered himself down gently, then drank a good measure of the draught of living , which is a pretty good plan for snape to still have his trust with voldemort but still secretly spy for dumbledore
Posted by Joy from NJ on February 18, 2007 08:53 AM
Does everyone literally think that Dumbledore would just be GONE forever? I mean seriously, do you think no one would ever speak of him again? Of COURSE not! There must be a lot of discussion about Dumbledore after his , so that is probably why J.K. is not giving up on Dumbledore.
Posted by Ali on February 18, 2007 11:40 AM
ali, what makes you say that?
Posted by Joy from NJ on February 18, 2007 2:08 PM
Michelle, I liked your idea of Dumbledore leaving a memory for Harry to find. What if he left several to find? Could a memory be altered (I think Dumbledore could) so the memory could be, for lack a better term, narrated? We saw Slughorn had altered a memory, so why not leave Harry a library of memories and future lessons? If Dumbledore had made an unbreakable vow so Snape would have to him, why not make up some memories as lessons? This would help lure Harry back to Hogworts too, where he could continue brainstorming with Ron & Hermione & others (maybe Neville). I am sure McGonagall would help Harry with the pensieve since its now her office.
Posted by Dave Porter from New Mexico, USA on February 18, 2007 3:26 PM
Mr. Porter: A library of memories and future lessons?
Shades of Jor-El and the Fortress of Solitude!:-)
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on February 18, 2007 4:58 PM
OK, here's a slight twist on the freezing charm that was placed on Harry up in the tower. A few of us have pondered the possibility that someone else was up on the tower that night. We have even theorized that Dobby may have been up there. Isn't it possible that Dobby may have placed the freezing charm on Harry? And then unfroze him when snape and Draco leave?
Harry has often come to the wrong conclusion about how or why things happen to him. On the tower, Harry believes that Dumbledore was too busy trying to freeze him, allowing Draco to disarm Dumbledore. But, it doesn't have to be that way, just because Harry said so. I think that Dobby could have been there. And again my only reason for thinking the dobby was there, was either Dumbledore told him to be there, or more likey he was still following Draco as per harry's orders. Any comments?
Posted by Heather from NJ on February 18, 2007 6:26 PM
There are many foreshadowing of events in Prisoner of Azkaban. The prophecy made by Professor Trelawney that the Dark Lord is going to return foreshadows a much more important prophecy at the end of Order of the Phoenix. The werewolf form of Lupin running around in Hogwarts foreshadows Fenrir Greyback coming to Hogwarts in Half-Blood Prince. This makes it possible that the use of the time turner, which was actually suggested by Dumbledore, could be a foreshadowing of Dumbledore traveling into the future, which makes the role of Dumbledore very ‘complex’ in “ly Hallows”. We still don’t know about all the places Dumbledore has gone to during his absences in Half-Blood Prince, Chamber of Secrets and Order of the Phoenix. We just know that he has been looking for the Horcruxes and memories of people who knew Voldemort, but he could have gone to many other places.
I also like the idea of a library of memories where ly Hallows can be compared to the Fortress of Solitude. But I still believe that the ly Hallows are the relics of the founders of Hogwarts.
To Michelle from Sydney, who said Dumbledore might have been the seventh Horcrux:
“4. This ALSO explains why near the end of Goblet of Fire, Harry says he thinks he saw "a glint of triumph" in Dumbledores eyes when he recounts what happened in the graveyard. And also Rowling said that the 'glint' is significant.”
Where did you get the information that JKR said the ‘glint’ is significant?
Posted by Javed from Vancouver, Canada on February 18, 2007 6:32 PM
You might also consider that Draught of the Living was also mentioned in the very first lesson that Snape gave Harry in PS. He asked Harry what some ingrents do, and then said that they would produce a sleep so deep that it is known as Draught of the Living .
You could very well be on to something here with Dobby. He was following Draco for Harry. Harry had told him earlier in the book to get some sleep, but he did not tell him to stop following Draco. Dobby is surely able to stay in a room invisible, and to do some magic. It is sure possible that Dumbledore could have used the House Elves in any plan that he had as well. Interesting that they are not mentioned at all in the aftermath, or the .
Michelle and Javed,
After reading OotP, I figured that the glint in Dumbedores eye that Harry thought he saw in GoF was because of Harry's blood being transfered into Voldermort.
In OotP, at the Ministry, Voldermort actually posesses Harry for a short time, and Harry is thinking, "Oh please just let me , then I can see Sirius again" and as soon as his love for Sirius comes up, Voldermort makes a quick exit from Harry's body, and then we do not see Voldermort entering Harrys thoughts or mind for all of HBP, because of the Blood, Voldermort can physically touch Harry again, but now it's like the thoughts of love repel him from Harry's mind, because we did not see him enter Harrys mind in HBP, there was no time that the scar burned. And Dumbledore was unafraid to speak to Harry and tell him things. Dumbledore said it was because Voldermort had closed his mind so Harry wouldn't be able to read his thoughts, but he could have been just not fully elaborating on this, or not fully told the truth by Snape.
Posted by Karen from Texas on February 18, 2007 8:16 PM
I still believe that the most reasonable statement that Dumbledore is still alive is how Dumbledore has a brother who's initials are A.D. also... I believe that Albus D. brother replace him at Hogwarts and sacrificed himself for Albus. Overall it seems that Albus COULD be in hiding... I think that if Albus ends up being alive that He and Harry Voldemort in the end
Posted by Brendan Soucie from Osawatomie Kansas on February 18, 2007 9:21 PM
Well, I personally don't think that Dumbledore is and that Snape is a villian. Because if Dumbledore isn't then Snape isn't a villain and if Snape isn't a villian Dumbledore isn't ! Anyways, I think that Joanne wasn't kidding, but I dont think she was telling the truth either...which leaves us yet again to say, we're not sure.
Posted by Massie from Los Angeles, CA on February 21, 2007 6:02 PM
I have used this thought in saving Sirius as well, but I think it applies to Dumbledore's "" too.
Dumbledore supposedly Stuns Harry. But how do we know exactly what he was thinking? Albus uses a Non-Verbal spell, so he could be thinking anything. In this case, I believe that Albus was thinking the incantation for an Impediment Jinx. If he were, than it would look like Harry was Stunned. The difference between a Stunning Spell and an Impediment Jinx is that the Impediment Jinx wears off on its own. Harry could have been able to move, but, thinking that he was Stunned, didn't try to. Another piece of evidence to Harry being under the Impediment Jinx is that when you are Stunned, you cannot do anything but breathe, and that includes hear. When Winky was Stunned in GoF, when she was woken up she had no clue what was going on. When Harry was "Stunned", he could hear and see everything that was going on around him. Also, Harry's Impediment Jinxes may wear off pretty quickly, but that doesn't mean that Dumbledore's have to. Dumbledore is a very powerful Sorcerer: his Jinxes probably last longer than the Jinxes of a 16 year old Wizard.
Posted by Ashley from Missouri on February 24, 2007 09:19 AM
Ashley, thanks, great point. You may be right about which jinx was cast. It certainly works.
I've been rereading OoTP (yet again) and three points struck me. The first is about Neville. when Harry and his friends get caught at the end sneaking into Umbrigdge's offcie, somehow Neville gets included in the group caught. he really wasn't part of the "plan" and yet he was now involved. I can't help thinking that this may come into play in DH.
Second point in the GREEN liquid in which those brains are floating (in the brain room). As soon as I saw the green liquid this time, all i could think about was the green liquid in the cave. does anyone besides me think that there may be a connection? I think that those are the only two refernces to a green liquid.
Last point is dumbledore's and voldemort's battle. dumbledore had harry isolated once again by the statue and he worked his magic (can't wait for that in the movie! Dumbledore is amazing in this scene!) While i read this, i thought it looked too familiar. Very similar to the scene on the tower. how harry was rendered useless and only could only witness the events. but also, could dumbledore have been at godric's hollow to work in some of his own magic agianst voldemort on the infamous halloween night. harry would have been a small child, once again present only as a witness.
just some thoughts. would love to hear your comments :)
Posted by Heather from NJ on February 25, 2007 09:07 AM
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