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New Revelations

by David Haber

On August 2, 2006, at the second night of the Harry, Carrie, and Garp event at Radio City Music Hall in New York City, J.K. Rowling says Dumbledore is . But is that the whole story? How does what J.K. has said relate to all of the clues and theories on this site?

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Okay, I'm back from books a million where I have been reading the ending of book 6 again (can't find my own copy, argh) And several things upon reading them again brought up questions for me.

#1 Snape did something to Flitwick while Hermione was keeping watch. Was this because Flitwick wouldn't understand what DD needing him to do? Or was it for other reasons?

#2 To support the DD is sleeping theory, the book also says that DD while on the tower closed his eyes almost as though he was falling asleep.

When I think of the others, I come back =)

Posted by Amy from P. Kentucky on February 16, 2007 7:34 PM

Yes, I remember the other thing now =)

There have been many people saying maybe it was Aberforth up on the tower who was ed. However, the book makes a point when one of the eaters comes up to refer to him as "Albus Dumbledore" doesn't that debunk the idea that it could be Aberforth?

Posted by Amy from P. Kentucky on February 16, 2007 7:46 PM

Amy - It doesn't really debunk the theory. They saw someone that they believed was Albus Dumbledore, so they called him that. If he was desguised as Albus or if he was using Polyjuice Potion, they would have no reason to believe otherwise. Lots of people were calling Barty Crouch Professor Moody.

Posted by Michael Brinkley from Oceanside, Ca on February 16, 2007 10:26 PM

"Dumbledore also never told us where he had found the ring, or did he?"

I had a feeling that the ring was retrieved by Dumbledore after a battle with Voldemort and/or Eaters - one that cost him a lot. He makes light of this injury to Harry but I suspect this is because he knows it is serious and he wishes to give Harry as much useful information as possible (without Harry going off like a firework as he has done in the past). As the prophecy in OotP relates to Harry as being the one who would fight Voldemort, it is interesting to wonder if Dumbledore has 'disappeared' is order to leave the field clear for Harry - signalling to the select few who know he isn't - via the Phoenix that flew from the coffin. It is the one thing that stands between me and my being convinced that Dumbledore really is .

We are shown the ring in the pensieve and this information is meant to be of use to Harry. Where Dumbledore got it from in the immediate past might not be so important.

~Re: Amy's comments about Snape hexing Flitwick. Whatever the agreement between Dumbledore and Snape - and there seems to be one, I suspect that it would have been too complex to explain briefly under stress to someone who otherwise probably knew little or nothing about the OotP -and Snape being Snape probably found stunning Flitwick expent. I think it is wholly bound up in their 'agreement' or whatever it was, I can't think of any other reason, as, unpleasant as he is, I doubt Snape would otherwise harm a fellow teacher.

Posted by Marjorie from Wellingon, NZ on February 16, 2007 11:12 PM

I agree that this site is cool. Sometimes, I wonder if he really is or not. I just can't make up my mind. However I don't think that aberforth sacrificed himself for dumbledore, as looking back, he seems total opposite of the character of Albus Dumbledore.

I believe that Snape is good and have actually made my friends believe that he is good, thanks to this site. Back to discussion. I think the story is going to be something that none of us could probably guess. Someone {sorry i forgot your title } mentioned that Harry or anyone use a merciful ing curse on Voldemort.

I personally think you are somewhat right. Perhaps Voldemort realise his mistake and be good. Or perhaps he after finally understanding that love is the most powerful thing in the world. I have a feeling Merope Riddle, although she is , be mentioned somewhere and a play a somewhat big role in DH. (I believe that she is .)

Posted by Britney on February 17, 2007 04:12 AM

Britney - I don't think Harry use a merciful ing curse on Voldemort (although someone else may). In fact I don't think Harry use any sort of curse to Voldemort.

If we look back at what Harry has learned and mastered over the years, it is clear that he couldn't win any sort of a duel with Voldemort. He couldn't even get Snape to work up a sweat when he tried to duel with Snape as he fled the castle the night Dumbledore flew over the tower wall. And we also saw that the two wands, Harry's and Voldemort's, not work against each other. No, I don't believe dueling have anything to do with Harry finishing Voldemort.

I suspect that Harry's training and talent in the art of persuasion be his most potent weapon to finish Voldemort and protect himself.

We first see Harry using persuasion in his battle with the dragon in Goblet of Fire. Forget those action scenes from the movie, in the book Harry got the egg by slowly drawing the dragon away from the nest, persuading her to come after him while he was still a safe distance away, and then quickly collecting the egg. There was no violence of any kind involved. In the book, that is. In the book, Krum actually lost points in the task because he caused his dragon to trample one of her eggs. In the movie Harry wins by essentially ing the dragon. The movie is way off target for what Jo had actually written about Harry's strengths in the book. Harry's strengths were his ability to fly and his ability to persuade. I think this is worth remembering.

Then in Half-Blood Prince, Harry needed to get Slughorn's memory of the night he spoke with Riddle re Horcruxes in the Slitherin common room. Dumbledore is a much more powerful wizard than Harry at spells and curses, but he told Harry that Slughorn would be on the defense against those things and Harry would have to find another way to collect the memory. Harry has no idea how to go about getting Slughorn's memory at first but Hermione tells him (and we should always listen to Hermione) that Harry needs to persuade Slughorn to give up the memory. And, with the help of Felix Felicis to give him a confidence boost, Harry collects the memory from Slughorn and does so in a manner that guarantees that Slughorn won't even remember giving it to him.

Harry collects golden eggs, memories... maybe Horcruxes with the use of persuasion, not brute force or raw power.

Harry is more adept at trickery and persuasion than he is powerful. I think he ultimately use these strengths to obtain the remaining Horcruxes and finish Voldemort.

Posted by Jan-Marie from New York on February 17, 2007 07:21 AM

Actually, the description of the situation on the tower refers to him as Albus Dumbledore. It isn't somebody calling him that. I wish I had my book here I would post the exact wording. If anybody would like to do that, it'd be great =)

Posted by Amy from P. Kentucky on February 17, 2007 07:38 AM

I agree with you that Harry's strength against Voldemort not be physical, and I would add that another of his strengths is the way he inspires people and respects others for who they are (Luna and Neville,for example) not necessarily what they can do for him.

Posted by Patty from Quincy, Massachusetts on February 17, 2007 11:48 AM

I don't see Harry winning an out and out duel with any of the main bad guys. He cannot close his mind, has not even passed the Apparation Test. Doesn't even really know how to find traces of magic, or destroy a horcrux if he finds one. I see it as Harry, Hermonie and Ron and the gang coming up with some clever traps along the way to deal with the bad people, definately not winning duels.

This is one reason why I do not buy the theory that Dumbledore was ready to and did so rather than to blow Snapes cover that is all over the place. Harry isn't ready. And it has been demonstrated that he cannot work with Snape.

I have not decided if I think Voldermort is going to be Harrys main problem, or Snape.

I think that Snape was Evil, and he tried really hard to be good, and then the Evil lured him back, and he found himself in a position of being trusted by both of them, or so he thought, and therefore in a position to get rid of both of them so that he could be the supreme ruler.

As for Dumbledore, he may be , as JKR is saying, but if so, it won't be because he was fooled by Snape, caught off guard and d, or because allowed he Snape to him I don't think. I think that night on the tower was a test of both Snape and Malfoy.

Posted by Karen from C. Texas on February 17, 2007 4:33 PM

Jan-Marie, I do like your insight to Harry and his use of persuasion. You are probably right, that this certainly come into play again.

If Dumbledore is in fact (which of course i hope he isn't) he may have left Harry a memory somehow. I do believe that Harry be guided by Dumbledore in DH---it may be Dumbledore (not ), a memory, or even a portrait. A ghost is doubtful since Dumbledore did not fear . Harry still has a lot to learn and i think that Dumbledore may continue to teach him.

I'm sure it be hard for Snape to gain Harry's trust at this point (and i do think he is still good), and Harry has never been very receptive to his teachings anyway. In fact, Snape may never have Harry's trust until the end. Unfortunately Harry may only appreciate Snape once Snape sacrifices himself or s Voldemort. This is just speculation and if I ever find a clue to back it up, i'll be sure to post it.

Posted by Heather from NJ on February 17, 2007 6:11 PM

Harry is NOT the last Horcrux. But i think i know who is.
It is said that Voldemort went into Godric's Hollow that night with one Horcrux to few and it is also said that someone else was in the Hollow that night. Well i think that 'someone else' is the final Horcrux and i think that person is Dumbledore. Think about it:

1. This explains why he has James' cloak. Dumbledore SPECIFICALLY says that "James left it in my possession before he d"
2. Why wouldn't Voldemort make the most powerful wizard a Horcrux. he isn't likely to be ed easily.
3. This explains why Snape is a good-guy even though he ed Dumbledore. Dumbledore knew Harry wouldn't be able to do it, so he got Snape to do it
4. This ALSO explains why near the end of Goblet of Fire, Harry says he thinks he saw "a glint of triumph" in Dumbledores eyes when he recounts what happened in the graveyard. And also Rowling said that the 'glint' is significant.
5. You may be thinking, why then would Voldemort send Draco to him? Possibly because he realised that Dumbledore figured out his Horcrux secret and he thought its best to sacrifice one rather than have them all destroyed.

It ties up a few loose ends such as hoe Snape can be good despite ing Dumbledore. AND, this can also explain why Dumbleores character is giving Rowling grief.

Posted by Michelle from Sydney on February 17, 2007 8:18 PM

I hope that you all indulge me while I express my excitement over finding this site. Actually, that is not true. I was sent here by my teen daughters, weary of discussing theories with me. I just can't stand it. To show my old age I am going to claim this site is "awesome".

I am just bursting with comments, but am going to restrain myself a bit for now. I want to take more time and read everyone's comments. I say that I have always beleived in a Albus/Aberforth/Fawkes connection, so the of "a Dumbledore" is now making more sense. I also whole-heartedly beleive Snape and Dumbledore had made an Un-Breakable Vow, requiring Snape to act as he did on the tower that night. I feel the Vow included wording that would ensure Snape do whatever damage Voldemort wanted done, instead of a student being forced to. We know full well Voldemort access to the students when he asked to teach (obviously he had more reasons to be at the school, as well). I am not sure if Snape was privy to whatever Dumbledore's entire plans were, that is something I am still stu on. I do think that the Vow he made with Narcissa was able to be kept easily because of his vow with Dumbledore.

This is interesting news and, just like the entire Harry Potter World, has given this often tired, over reality drenched 39 yo "kid" a great escape. So, my new found "theory outlet" that time not allow me to visit enough, I appreciate you from the tattoos of Sirius' Azkaban number and Dumbledore's wand markings on my left shoulder, down past the oversized scar from Harry's forehead on my back, all the way down to the Dementor and the words "Expecto Patronum" on my left calf.

Posted by Colleen from Winter Garden, Fl on February 18, 2007 02:16 AM

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