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New Revelations

by David Haber

On August 2, 2006, at the second night of the Harry, Carrie, and Garp event at Radio City Music Hall in New York City, J.K. Rowling says Dumbledore is . But is that the whole story? How does what J.K. has said relate to all of the clues and theories on this site?

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He is not , we get the picture!
fawkes is doing a good job of healing him because his back hurts or somthing the least he can is that he s in shock of still being alive!
harry knows the song that healed him in the chamber so its happening now from the hospital wing harry and the others hear the song harry know fawkes is doing his song to heal dumbledore!

Posted by ellza from new york on December 14, 2006 08:10 AM

after reading book 6, i was really upset and convinced that dd is . i called my sister and told her what i think happen in book 7. since harry decided not to go back to hogwarts, i presumed dd left him a note explaining of the sudden turn of events and wishes him to finish wizardry school, this in turn convince him to go back to hogwarts. this is of course before i came across this site. but now, after i read these comments dd could possibly still be alive.

but if dd is indeed then i think it would be sirius who come back in book 7. just my thoughts.

Posted by nalie from Bellflower, CA on December 14, 2006 10:55 AM

I think we all must agree Dumbledore is . BUT, I still think Snape is on our side. Not only the clues on this website make me think that, but also something else (I'm not sure, maybe it is mentioned on this website)
There's something about the Avada Kadavra from Snape to Dumbledore. As said on this website, the Avada Kadavra-curse has an immediate effect. When it hits you, you fall down immediately. But not Dumbledore. He hangs in the air for a few seconds and then falls out of the tower. So, we can agree this was NOT a Avada Kadavra.
Why wasn't it? Why didn't Snape Dumbledore with an Avada Kadavra? And this is the reason why I think Snape is still on our side:
Snape didn't Dumbledore with an Avada Kadavra because he COULDN'T. Just like Bellatrix told Harry in OotP, you have to mean an Unfogivable (I'm sorry..I'm from Holland, I only read the Dutch translation, so I don't know the English word for a curse like Avada Kadrava) Curse.
Snape couldn't use the Avada Kadavra because he did not want Dumbledore to . But (I think) he promised Dumbledore (I think that is what Hagrid overheard) and he had to do it.
So, he couldn't use the Avada Kadrava, wich means he doesn't hate Dumbledore and that means he is still on our side?

Just a little thought, let me know what you think

Posted by Final_Straw from Nijmegen, Holland on December 16, 2006 03:28 AM

Sorry if this has been discussed but I didn't come across it when reading through these comments.

The blackened hand...

We know very little about what DD went through to get the ring horcrux, apart from that it was a very strong curse. I think that the blackened hand was actually a creeping poison that was slowly, painfully ing him - and DD knew it. That's why he asked Snape to finish him off at a necessary point (which is why Snape and DD were heard to be arguing, Snape refusing to do it, and on top of the tower DD begged Snape "Severus, please" to go through with it and put him out of his pain. The revulsion on Snape's face and his extreme reaction to being called a coward tie in with the fact that he had to do this, I think.) I also think the potion DD drank was contributing to his slow . I think this, and the fall, are what ed him, rather than Snape's Avada Kedavra, which seemed to act more like an Expelliarmus as other people have said.

I don't really beleive that Dumbledore return in the same way as before because JKR has been very adamant about this - and I just don't think she'd bare-faced lie to kids, sorry - and let's face it, the old wizard dude always gets it before the climax! But I do think he be able to guide Harry in some disconnected way, a "Feel the Force, Luke" type spiritual mentor.

Although I don't agree that DD would have made a horcrux, seeing as he isn't afraid of and it is very evil, dark magic, I agree there's something odd about the way Fawkes cried (=healed) all the way through the and DD has been symbolised throughout by a pheonix. Is it too obvious that he have some kind of "rebirth"? I don't know. But although I don't think we've seen the last of Albus Dumbledore, I don't believe he come back to full, normal 'life'.

For me the most burning questions I'm looking forward to finding out in 7 are:

How did Regulus (it seems pretty conclusuve that RAB is lil' Reggie Black) find out about the Horcruxes and what happened to him after he did?

What happen with the two-way mirror? (JKR has said it still has a role to play)

Will DD's brother play more of a role or was that just a giant, mean red herring?

Does Snape get to redeem himself in Harry's eyes or he get ed before we realise he was DD's man all along?

What Harry discover in Godric's Hollow?

Aaaahh... I really, really hope it gets published sometime next year! I don't know if I can last till 2008!

Posted by eleanor from sapporo, japan on December 16, 2006 03:39 AM

i agree too, that i think Sirius Black be back
we never knew what spell hit him and caused him to fall into the veil
"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix's jet of red light" (page710 OotP)
"The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest." page710 OotP)

as for Dumbledore
Dumbledore to Voldemrt
"Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than has always been your greatest weaknes-"

Posted by Chokito on December 16, 2006 05:10 AM

I know that probably everyone who has read this site now thinks that Dumbledore isn't but, i can't help saying it again! My friend told my about this web site, and when she did I thought, "yeah right! There's NO way he's still alive! Snape ed him, he's ! Get over it!" but, now that I've actually gone through all the pages of the site, we're both believers!

Posted by Whitney from Hagerstown, MD on December 16, 2006 3:59 PM

Well, it be interesting to see the relation of House Elf's and AD (RIP?) It seems the wool socks might just mean he would like a pair of socks (maybe to simple, who knows). Any ideas what might be hinted at here? It's good to point out this possible realationship between AD and Dobby, but more ideas would be nice. Well, Merry (Happy) Christmas.

Posted by Kevin from Haines, Alaska USA on December 17, 2006 9:09 PM

I agree something just doesn't add up about Dumbledore's . The ing Curse (what Snape apparently used on Dumbledore) makes you drop on spot with whatever expression you wore at the time. Dumbledore was flown back and looked like he was sleeping. I remember reading that Snape is a master of unspoken spells...he could have said Avada Kedavra but cast a different one.

Posted by David G from Lebanon, IL on December 18, 2006 3:05 PM

Though she says that Dumbledore is not , it does not mean that he won't come back... Something that I have not read yet on the site (but might be somewhere), what about the mysterious stone arch that Padfoot/Sirius Black fell through in the Order of the Pheonix? I always thought that he was not really , since we did not know what it was. Perhaps it is a doorway into the other realm, , and they are working to discover a way to get back. What was it doing all by itsself in that room in the Ministry?

Posted by Anna from Clinton MA on December 21, 2006 12:54 PM

In accordance with much which has been posted before, I also agree that the circumstances surrounding Albus Dumbledore's demise appear highly suspicious. I don't consider it likely, however, that his has been faked, or that he rise from the in anything resembling his former capacities (or even stronger, as did Gandalf).

The LOTR books are not books about Frodo Baggins, and Star Wars is not only about Luke Skywalker, but the Harry Potter books are pretty much books about Harry Potter - he is the person whose emotions and thoughts the readers share. As such, there is no way around Harry Potter going to be the person who brings about Lord Voldemort's ultimate defeat. Given how Voldemort and Dumbledore appear to be pretty equally matched, this means that Dumbledore simply has to be somehow incapacitated before the climactic conflict.

There are many ways imaginable by which Dumbledore might be able to continue to offer comfort and guidance to Harry even in . But can you really imagine a whole and healthy Dumbledore bursting through the door during Harry's final battle with Voldemort, helping Harry his oponent and then revealing that he had all that planned and arranged, that he had simply outwitted Voldemort? That would be pretty poor story-telling, in my opinion, unless the books would carry his name instead of Harry's.

As it stands, I'm mostly certain that Dumbledore is indeed - likely this has been planned by him to some degree, likely with Snape as accomplice, but not likely in the way that he only feigned his . He possibly continue to influence events somehow, but not through his direct presence - at least not before Voldemort's downfall.

That being said, I would like to add my 2 cents on some of the other points raised in this thread. I cannot believe that the person ed atop the tower should have been Aberforth. Sacrificing his own brother, even if he is a ing party, even if it seems utterly necessary to defeat Voldemort, appears just too cold-blooded and calculating for the way Dumbledore has appeared up to now. I think it is far more likely that Aberforth be the way through which Dumbledore exert his limited influence throughout book 7, by somehow temporarily possessing him - and that's also were the raspberries would come in.

I completely agree that Sirius Black is probably still having some part to play, given the peculiarness of his disappearance, but I have no idea what it might be.

Dumbledore having a horcrux appears very unlikely to me, given how adamantly he is opposed to the very idea. And, for all we know, he has never ed anyone - he has 'defeated' Grindelwald, not necessarily ed him, and even ing him in self-defence would not make Dumbledore a er.

I can imagine, however, that Harry Potter himself is indeed a horcrux, accidentally created by Voldemort in failing to him the first time. Even Voldemort's later attempts at ing Harry do not completely contradict this idea, since destroying only a part of his own soul might appear an acceptable price to Voldemort, if it gets him rid of the person prophecised to him. Since Neville also seems to have a part to play, it has a certain plausibility that Voldemort's defeat require Harry's , and that that task fall to Neville. The recurring theme of the phoenix has been mentioned time and again, and it might lead up to this point - Harry Potter being resurrected after sacrificing himself during the final confrontation.

And perhaps a final remark regarding the charity event that started it all: I don't think that anything JKR said was said 'casually'. It wouldn't have taken a Trelawney to predict the questions she would be facing, so it's likely that the answers to this particular one used wording carefully prepared beforehand.

Posted by Roman on December 21, 2006 1:12 PM

This site is really intresting and gives a lot of insite into the sixth book. i have read this book a number of times and the points that are pointed out here are worth noting. after reading this we get a lot of things to think about and it seems to be the most accurate inferences.

Posted by Natasha Das from Assam, India on December 21, 2006 8:37 PM

No offense or anything but the creators of this site analyze to much. it's not a bad thing. I read all of it and i'll say you have completely turned me in 360. I don't believe Dumbledore is . I always believed Snape was more good then bad. As for the locket I couldn't think of anyone besides Rubeus A. Hagrid but since that didn't work I blanked out.

As for the cave did Jk ever say what would happen if two fully grown wizards got into the boat. i don't recall. if Regelus really did take the locket and destroy it wouldn't someone have seen it? if so then wouldn't the Dark Lord sense betrayl in the eater ring?

Snape running, I reread that so many times. i had this nagging suspicion that they would run and get Draco's *oh so sexy Draco* mother and run away. But where would they go i mean surely someone would recognize the Dark mark. So here's my theory in a summary.

Dumbledore~playing "opossum"
Snape~good but pretending to be bad
Draco~confused but good
Harry~7th horcrux
Voldemort~sadly but not by Harry by someone he has harmed.
*inner voice* ya that narrows it down

Posted by Samantha Cates from Alton. Illinois on December 23, 2006 02:12 AM

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