Magic at its deepest, its most impenetrable
by David Haber
At the end of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Dumbledore describes the life that Peter Pettigrew owes Harry as "magic at its deepest, it's most impenetrable". But who else the in Harry Potter books might owe Harry a life ? And are life and Unbreakable Vows related?
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Mistral - One of the great things about this site is that we are from all over the world, and speak different languages. And if you think about it, some of our best clues about the identity of R.A.B have come from people telling us what the initials are in a foreign edition.
Someone from Somewhere - that bit about Lily's blood being in Voldemort's veins is exactly the sort of thing I was trying to think of. Something connected with love/sacrifice that would trip Voldemort up. Thank you.
Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on February 4, 2007 5:02 PM
Elizabeth, regarding your post on the previous page...you said it better that i ever could (and I speak English, Mistral)---but my thoughts exactly about how Snape loved Lily, etc.
I do think that Dumbledore's knowledge of Snape's love for Lily was enough for Dumbledore establish trust. I also think that we learn more about Lily and Snape's relationship in book 7.
As for Snape, I've said it before...he's good.
One more thing, Elizabeth I do agree with you regarding that gleam in Dumbledore's eye when he learned that Voldemort used Harry's blood for his own rebirth. I do think that Voldemort has once again overlooked the power of blood/love, and that contribute to his downfall.
Posted by Heather from NJ on February 4, 2007 8:04 PM
Thanks, Heather. And I wouldn't be surprised if Someone from Somewhere hasn't hit on the reason. It might all come back to Lily's sacrifice.
I think you're right and we find out more about Snape's feelings towards Lily in ly Hallows. Somehow I don't imagine Harry is going to be very happy about it. I can see Snape actually to give Harry his chance at Voldemort. I think he would see it as the one way he could repay Lily, by helping her son to finish the one who ed her.
Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on February 5, 2007 02:53 AM
hey doesnt mr. wealsey, ron, and ginny owe harry his life? that means that he could use them as cronies in his fight to voldemort
Posted by david from south windsor, connecticut on February 5, 2007 07:41 AM
I think all the facts to settle this have yet to be uncovered. I'd like to know how (since all "pure-blood families are related) the Potters, Princes,Malfoys/Blacks and Dumbledores are related (and just as an aside, I went to public school in America, so EVERYONE'S English is better than mine) and if that has any impact on the interactions between them all.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on February 5, 2007 08:49 AM
yes so i think were looking into the life thing far to much i think it needs to be something more something extra ordinary that goes beyond human nature in the sense that one try to protect their friend, one try to protect their child, but james saved snape, even though he didnt like him and harry saved wormtail even though he didnt like him. lily saved harry as a natural instinct to protect her child and that led to a diffrent magic voldemort couldnt touch him. i found the theory about wormtails silver hand intresting and that on jk's site there was a rumor about it being used to lupin but i think it be used to another certain werewolf who enjoys eating babies and even atacking people when hes in human form. i think maybe he and wormtail be about to harry and harry talks to wormtail and pleads with him to save him and wormtail feeling regret for the pain and suffering he caused by ing harrys parents by leading to sirius being jailed to his to dumbledores to voldemorts resurection for voldemort even said that wormtail returned out of fear not loyalty so maybe he could redeem himself in that one moment and use his silver hand to the werewolf.
Posted by Robbie B on February 6, 2007 9:44 PM
I'm not sure that I agree with a previous poster who suggested that perhaps Snape is the illegitimate son of Voldemort and Eileen Prince. It is interesting and certainly worth a thought. I do disagree with the later poster who commented that Voldemort can't love and has no friends so he obviously couldn't have an illegitimate child. I think this statement is bunk. At the risk of sounding callous, it doesn't take love to make a baby. And even though I'm sure JKR isn't going to go into this, I highly doubt that Voldemort has gone his whole life without participating in the act of potential baby-making. Many reasonably decent men (and women) thse days do it without loving their partner.
I'm not saying that I think that Snape is Voldemort's son, but I'd hate to dismiss the idea based on an idealistic view of love and sex.
Posted by Wendelin the Weird from the 14th century on February 7, 2007 12:59 PM
Ummm...this is a VERY weird conversation.. but as far as im concerned, Voldemort doesnt need an "heir"... or a son.. because that really would be the only reason for him to have a son wouldnt it? to have a new "Dark Lord" to carry on for him when he d? and it says in HBP who Snape's father is, i just dont remember who it is right now. something with a "T"....
Posted by Ashley from Missouri on February 8, 2007 2:56 PM
well as for someone who owes Harry a life ...Ginny Weasley. In the second book Harry saved her life when he destroyed Tom Riddle and his Diary. Also, Hermione, Ron and Sirius (if he wasn't already ). Because he saved them from the dementors in the third book...There are a lot of people who owe Harry their lives when you think about it....this has left me thinking but thats not a bad thing...
Posted by Kelsey from Florida on February 10, 2007 6:05 PM
While we are speaking of life s... I just realized that Harry owes a life to Hermione for saving him from falling off his broom in SS/PS when she bumped into Quirrel at the Quidditch match while she was trying to set Snape on fire... Any thoughts on what this mean in Book 7?
Posted by Debra from Cleveland on February 13, 2007 03:57 AM
Interesting article. However, I don't think Dumbledore would stoop to controlling another with an unbreakable vow. Doesn't seem like his style. I think he believes/believed in Snape for another, more important reason. He trusts him. Pure and simple.
Posted by Jenifer from Moscow, Russia on February 13, 2007 10:41 PM
I see the hesitation in Snape when asked to pledge to fulfill Draco's task. I see arguments from Snape with Dumbledore. I see pain and turmoil in Snape. Could it be he prommissed, 'just' promissed Dumbledore to save Draco and Harry at all costs, even by ing Dumbledore. Could Dumbledore's last word: 'severus' have been a plee to fulfill his task? And could Dumbledore have been so calculating that he took horrible, poison. He said the poison he took was not (only) meant to . What would have ben Dumbledore's fate had Snape not ed him. Maybe Snape had the horrible Judas task, knowingly. By ing Dumbledore he saved Draco and Harry. A price Dumbledore would probably not find too high. But if it is the case it must be hell for Snape, how convenient it might further be strategically in the battle with Voldemort. I tend to agree with Elisabeth that Snape on the 'good' side.
Posted by Hyke from noordoostpolder (the netherlands) on February 16, 2007 07:32 AM
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