Magic at its deepest, its most impenetrable
by David Haber
At the end of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Dumbledore describes the life that Peter Pettigrew owes Harry as "magic at its deepest, it's most impenetrable". But who else the in Harry Potter books might owe Harry a life ? And are life and Unbreakable Vows related?
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It's true that wormtail does ow harry a life , and he has to repay him. But I wonder if he actually do it, because if he's evil either he wont care about the , or he pretend that he doesn't care. As for Snape I find it so hard to believe that he would betray Dumbledore like this, but if he ows harry a , than he would have aleady paid it because he might want to make sure Dumbledore sees him paying it off, and then he can go back to becoming a eater. I just so wish that I could read the last book, to find out what happens!
Posted by Nusath from London, England on December 9, 2006 10:06 AM
i think that there is one thing that all of you are taking for granted, the fact that harry doesn't know everything. that leads me to my own opinion, which i havent met anyone who agrees.
i firmly believe that snape is not evil.
and after reading this, neither does pettigrew.
in my opinion, we're overlooking the fact that dumbledore trusted snape, and id sure hate to believe that after all the confliction between harry and dumbledore about snapes loyalty, that harry was right all along and dumbledore was wrong.
i also think that in ing dumbledore, snape fulfilled his to harry. dont ask me how b/c i honestly dont know. i just love throwing farfetched ideas into the picture.
Posted by calmangunter9898 from london, england on December 10, 2006 12:31 PM
Calmangunter9898, I think you are right. I don't believe Snape is evil either. I think he is Harry's protector and DD's man. All the signs point to DD planning his , or realizing he was getting so weakened was not far off. Snape probably told him about the Unbreakable Vow and this put the plan into motion.
I think you are right about Pettigrew, too. Pettigrew has always been a coward that hung around wizards that are more powerful than himself. Possibly, at the end he see Harry as more powerful than LV and switch sides.
I was listening to Half-Blood Prince again and caught the reference to Snape's mother being in school 50 years ago, which would put her at Hogwarts at the same time as LV and Hagrid. What do you think of the possibility of Snape being LV's illegitimate son? Maybe that would explain why he became loyal to DD, he found out his mother was betrayed by LV and wants revenge?
Posted by Raow from Petaluma, CA on December 11, 2006 10:17 AM
pettigrew is bound by magic to harry; he has to pay him back. who know what happen? maybe wormtail throw himself in front of harry to save him from vols avada kedavra curse of somthing.....to lord of the rings fans: notice to conection of wormtail/wormtongue, worm tongue i think, is much worse.....perhaps they suffer similar fates. by the way, speaking of spinners end: my dad read the books aloud and when i heard that chapter title i thought aragog was going to ... and he did- but later.
Posted by lisi baker from phatos, pensylvania on December 11, 2006 4:43 PM
I have been reading all the comments about life s and unbreakable vows, but I have not seen any references to something that I read either in book one or two. When LV has ed James he then tells Lily to step aside so he can get to Harry. Why wouldn't LV just her. What reason would he have for allowing her to possible live is she stepped aside.
I also wonder if part of the reason Snape protects Harry is because of Lily. I believe he was in love with her. Yes, I know he called her a mudblood, but that was after he was embarrassed in front of her by James and Sirus. I believe this is why Snape turned from LV. I think this is another reason Snape seems to hate Harry so much. He see James face but Lily's eyes. Those eyes are a constant reminder that he played a part in her . I also believe the reason Dumbledore had no trouble trusting Snape was because he used the truth serum on him, remember that Lily was an excellent potions maker herself.
Posted by Linda from Kentucky on December 11, 2006 9:43 PM
nobody said that pettigrew was bound by magic. there could be a difference between an unbreakable vow and a life . just because dumbledore said it was powerful, doesnt mean that it necessarily has to do with being magically bound.
Posted by calmangunter9898 from london, england on December 12, 2006 05:31 AM
If Pettigrew had a life to Harry why did he not interfere at the graveyard when Voldy was attempting to him?
Looks to me like Pettigrew did every thing in his power to make Harry's demise a real event. I think the key to this is something different than has been speculated on, what, I do not know but I think it is important
Posted by Andy from Anson Ct. on December 13, 2006 08:38 AM
Reading through your article, I have to admit that it raises some eyebrows. I just started a read-through of the six current books to locate as much clues as I possibly can and I remembered the time Severus saves Harry's life by keeping Quirrel from throwing him off his broom. Would this count as repaying the ? Possibly, but I doubt it.
In book six, I believe Bellatrix says something along the lines of
"and why, Snape, is Potter still alive although you've had him at your mercy for five years." (Can't be bothered to check the actual quote, but it's something like that)
Severus does answer this question quite persuasively but still, can it have been because of the he owes Harry, thanks to revealing the identity (well, the birthtime period and the parents who defied him three times) of the person who would surely mean the end of Tom Riddle? Who knows.
And again, something Dumbledore (Is it?) says about the fact that most prophecys haven't even been fulfilled yet forces me to believe that Harry might not even be the "chosen one" so to speak. Surely, he and Neville couldn't have been the only ones that may or may not fit in with that description. More or less every non- Eater must've been able to defy Lord Voldemort some time in their lives.
Posted by Rane from Sweden on December 13, 2006 10:51 AM
What do you think of the possibility of Snape being LV's illegitimate son? Posted by Raow from Petaluma, CA on December 11, 2006 10:17 AM
LV cannot love, has no friends etc etc. so i think we can call this theory busted.
some other points:
didnt voldemort say, when he took blood from HP, that he needed the blood of a wizard who hates hime the utmost, because that would make him stronger? (GoF)
so it would be strange to believe voldemort has gotten any weaker/a life due to this.
and harry saved several lifes too: think about the weasleys he saved, or the members of the DA at the end of book 6, where he had given them felix fortunitas.
but since these cases are not eleborated in the book, i believe the 'saving a life for a life ' thing has to be very specific, so specifically saving a life, not
incidently, as happens with these cases.
Posted by Bart v. Dongen from Strijen, The Netherlands on December 17, 2006 12:45 PM
The one thing that has stuck for me in regards to Snape being a eater is that in the Goblet of Fire Sirius spoke to Harry in the fire in the Gryffindor common room, he said that no one ever stops being a eater. So why should Snape be any different? I don't think he ever stopped being a eater... Dumbledore had his own reasons for having Snape at Hogwarts, he fully well knew Snape would at the end of it all still be a eater.
Posted by Noelle from Olivehurst, CA on December 18, 2006 3:41 PM
Can we take Sirius' word on that? Or could it be he's speaking through an old prejudice?
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on December 18, 2006 4:02 PM
I agree that Sirius could have been voicing his opinion more than he may have realized. I don't believe that it would be easy to just walk away from Morty, but I think some one who was crafty enough and motivated could have done it.
Sirius was intelligent and was not afraid to bend the occasional rule to suit his needs (or wants) I think it is fairly safe to assume Regulus was the same way...
I'd bet the brothers were more alike than perhaps Sirius would have liked to admit.
It would be interesting to get a look at what it was like in the Black house before Sirius found refuge at the Potter's. Any one ever seen brothers that grow up almost ing each other every day then become best friends as adults? I'm NOT saying thats what happened, but perhaps Sirius resents the fact that Snape (seems) escaped Morty but his brother didn't....
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on December 19, 2006 06:46 AM
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