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A Horcrux is NOT used to gain another body. ALL it does is stop some one from when their body is destroyed.

Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 10, 2007 09:24 AM

If creating a Horcrux is some of the worst of Dark Magic and through the 'supreme act' of evil why are so many of us assuming that Dumbledore, Lilly and Harry would forfit their unblemished souls (or the at least highly polished souls) to try to fit this plot twist?

Try to think of a Horcrux as a kind of anchor for keeping life on earth for the other part(s) of the soul.

Honestly we can't really say what Voldemort intended as part of ing baby Harry. We dont know if making a horcrux is part of the spell process or done afterwards.. the act of the tears the soul, but how a horcrux is made and how the soul's fraction is transferred is something we are totally ignorant of.

Posted by Charlie Tarbox from Gettysburg, Pa on January 10, 2007 11:05 AM

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the Harry-is-a-horcrux theory. It seems to me that in HBP Dumbledore told Harry it was a bit risky for Voldy to make horcruxes with animals, 'cause you can't control them easily, let alone a person, the very person who lost his parents by Voldemort's hands. Do you think Voldemort made Harry an horcrux by accident? We know for sure this is dark magic, very advanced magic, I believe you have to say the magic words and maybe it's like the Avada Kedavra, you really have to want to do it otherwise you're only pretending to do magic (if I am not much mistaken Harry tried to use the Avada kedavra once but he didn't succeded because he wasn't full of hatred and he didn't really mean to)

One more thing, Voldemort didn't the night he tried to Harry because he had made other horcruxes yet, and you can't if your other horcruxes aren't destroyed...right?

Posted by sabri from italy on January 10, 2007 11:36 AM

Christina, the fun of all this speculation for me is thinking out the thoughts that have occurred to me as I've re-read the books and sometimes they seem a bit far-fetched. But, Harry having Lily's eyes has been repeated too often to be ignored. And, it every case, the exact same wording is used. Someone once stated that when JKR repeats something, it is not something to be ignored. Obviously, we'll only know for sure when DH comes out. But, it seems clear to me that something of Lily is in Harry.

I do agree with you that Lily's mark, whatever it is, is protecting Harry. But, we don't really know if he doesn't have her personality and character because nothing of that has been shared with us except for her compassion for the underdog (Snape). I believe what other characters tell Harry about his father is that he looks exactly like James. We know very little about how his personality meshes with his father's beyond the few hints that James may have been a bit reckless (from Sirius and Lupin) and that he could be cruel (from Snape's memory). I think we've seen Harry be reckless in OofP. I don't remember any cruelty at the moment but a little voice in the back of my head tells me there may have been an incident or perhaps a desire to treat someone badly. I just can't narrow it down right now.

Posted by Hannah on January 10, 2007 12:12 PM

Sabri,
You only need one Horcrux to stave off . Morty asked about making more only because he wanted to know if a seven part soul would some how be more powerful.

Posted by kevin from Wisconsin on January 10, 2007 1:29 PM

The sixth horcrux is obviously Tom Riddle's Trophy in the trophy room in hogwarts. Think about it, it makes sense.

Posted by Thom on January 10, 2007 1:33 PM

Yyou guys are forgetting a very important thing...even IF Harry was a horcrux, Voldemort couldn't live in him becouse, as Dumbledore stated in OoTP, Voldemort can't stand being in a body that can love. Voldemort possesed Harry for a short amount of time in OoTP and when harry felt love, Voldemort went away from his body. Simple as that, so i hate to crush your theories, but even if Harry would be a horcrux, he woulnd't need to himself to destroy the last horcrux.

Posted by Daedalus on January 10, 2007 2:30 PM

That assumes, Daedalus, that a soul (and its peices) are a physical thing, like your skin or bones. I think most people would say they're not physical things, and therefore don't follow the rules of them. By the way, that's why they need a physical thing to be contained in, like a ring or a cup, to be a horcrux.

Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on January 10, 2007 3:19 PM

what about that time coming back from hogsmeade in HBP with hermione (can't remember if ron was with them) and katie bell's hand brushed against the locket? could this have been Slytherin's locket? Although, if Regulus Black is R.A.B then he would have destroyed it, not passed it on to one of his relies. Just a theory.

But now, back to the subject of this article. i don't think harry is the last horcrux. I think maybe the invisibility cloak is one. It could have been Godric Gryffindor's and on the night james and lily were ed, voldy saw the cloak and transfered a bit of his soul into it before turning to harry. but I like the idea of Ravenclaw's relic being a tiara.

BUT WAIT, wat if voldy made MORE then 7? what if there were 8? so that there would be 7 out in the world, and one inside his body?

if my theories are correct, that means:

1. Tom Riddle's diary (destroyed)
2. Marvolo Gaunt's ring (destroyed)
3. Slytherin's locket (presumed destroyed by Regulus Black)
4. Hufflepuff's cup (whereabouts unknown)
5. Nagini the giant snake (Dumbledore's guess)
6. Ravenclaw's tiara (possibly molly weasley is in possesion of it)
7. The Invisibility Cloak (Harry has it)
8. Inside Voldy's body.

I don't think harry is a horcrux, but it is a good topic for debate. i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Posted by Claire from Townsville, Queensland, Australia on January 10, 2007 6:23 PM

OK, I have a crazy thought on all this Harry being a Horcrux talk. What if Voldemort put a Horcrux inside Harry's body and actually in his blood and that is why he was so intent on using Harry to regain his body in GOF. Remember Wormtail telling Voldemort they could use another witch or wizard and Voldemort was dertermined to use Harry no matter how hard it would be to get Harry to the gravesite. So Voldemort wasn't just using the blood of an enemy as wormtail states in the graveside ritual but it was actually his horcrux being extracted from Harry. I can never recall it being stated that a thing holding a horcrux would be destroyed when the horcux is removed from it but maybe i missed that part. That would also explain why Harry thougth for a brief moment that Dumbledore had a gleamer in his eye(or something like that) when Harry was explaining what happened at the gravesite-Dumbledore might have guessed that Harry was a horcrux and was happy he was still alive after it was extracted from him but didn't have it in him to explain all that to Harry. Asuming that Dumbledore was indeed not ed in HBP and he reveil that to Harry in the final book. It would also explain why JK would be able to now say that Harry is not a horcrux, cause he is no longer one. This was just a thought I had while reading through the site and i'm probably thinking crazy but i love this stuff.

Posted by Brian from WA on January 10, 2007 8:34 PM

Dave, in your article you remind us about Lily's sacrifice and this point is highly interesting. Jo provides us with some clues. She says Lily was given the choice: when asked, she answered "he did offer, you're absolutely right" and then "she could have saved herself".

Voldemort might have proposed something to Lily, that she declined. Because it was clearly her choice, and not her behaviour, that provoked Voldemort to her. I mean that, if she only tried to physically protect Harry, there were so many ways for Voldemort to get her off the way (freezing charm, impedimenta,...) that he didn't need to her for this reason.

Though, we must assume that he had a good reason for ing Lily, that he did not have when he first stepped inside Godrics Hollow.

If Voldemort was a reckless conqueror in a middle age saga, we could believe he asked Lily to marry him. But this doesn't fit at all with Voldemort's behaviour and the fact he cannot love anybody else.

Then, was it not for her nice eyes, Voldemort probably needed her in some way.

Did Voldemort ask Lily to do an Unbreakable Vow of some kind? Why would Voldemort, who was so powerful, need the help of Lily?

If we could answer those questions, then we would pretty much progress on the "Harry is a Horcrux" topic.

Posted by herve from france on January 11, 2007 12:51 AM

you know what i think
i guess when voldy heard part of the prophecy, he decided to james and lily (who he already was angry with since they refused to join him,and cuz they were very close to dumbledore (ever wondered why? hmm...) and he decided to make harry a horcrux with their ...
its a very significant horcrux too...
since according to the prophecy he's the one who be able to voldy..
and remember "and the dark lord mark him his equal"
isnt putting a bit of yourself into harry make him just like voldy?
and since voldmort knows dumbledore has heard the prophecy(snape obviously told him) voldy knows that if he fakes it that harry potter survived his curse he's the one who(apparently) destroyed voldy, the whole wizarding world protect him worship him...
so obviously this horcrux be best protected
isnt it a bit too obvious?
plus havent you guys heard that the best hiding place is in plain sight? maybe snape was right when he told bellatrix, "potter has been able to get through difficult stuff purely because of luck and more talented friends" or something like that
as much as i dont want to believe it...
it sounds very probable to me... but... dunno...

Posted by soha on January 11, 2007 02:47 AM

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