<	Latest Articles
	Comments Index
	Save Last On

Search Beyond Hogwarts:

Reference Desk:
•	Beyond Hogwarts FAQ
•	Wizard to Muggle Currency Converter
•	Harry Potter Spelling Reference

Pages:  <<  <  36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 ...  >  >>

Reader Comments: (Page 46)

I am 98% sure that Harry is a horcrux. Voldemort didn't know he was a horcrux until OotP so that's why he tried to him in GoF. There is a way to get around the fact that he can't him if he's : he could get "kissed" by a dementor. I know Voldemort is controling the dementors, but what if he sends them after Harry hoping that they suck out Harry's own soul but they might suck out his instead, therfore de-horcruxing Harry...

Posted by anonymous on May 15, 2007 2:32 PM

We know that Dumbledore advised Harry in the Half-Blood Prince that putting a piece of their soul into someone else a human being or live animal is much more dangerous. If Harry does have a bit of Dumbledore's soul in him, we know that Dumbledore is curious that Harry has not been tempted by the dark arts at all and all through his time in school so far. Maybe putting a piece of Voldemort's soul in Harry backfire on Voldemort. Prophecy did say he have power the dark lord knows not.

Posted by Tanya from Dublin, TX on May 16, 2007 3:11 PM

The clues you've presented are indeed compelling. however, you've forgotten one tiny bit of evidence. in book 6, in Slughorn's Memory, when Tom Riddle asks Slughorn, how to create a Horcrux, Slugorn says "ing rips the soul apart. The wizard intent upon creating a horcrux could use the damage to his advantage: he would encase the torn portion. There is a spell, do not ask me, I don't know!"

This means that unless you encase the soul using a spell you can't create a horcrux. which means, a horcrux can't be created ACCIDENTALLY. so basically Harry cannot be a horcrux unless Voldemort planned to say a spell to put his soul inside Harry. but we know that it was Voldemort's intention to KILL harry. so obviously he said no such spell, which means Harry cannot be a Horcrux.

Posted by Shalmali Sohoni from Kohlapur, India on May 17, 2007 06:40 AM

One thing I have wondered about is how Harry is going to be able to face Voldemort in any kind of a final battle. We have seen many times that Harry's scar can sear in pain when Voldemort has a particularly evil thought. We know Voldemort has been blocking his mind to Harry all through the HBP. All Voldemort has to do to defeat Harry is to unblock his mind, think evil, and Harry be down on the ground as an easy target. At least this is probably what Voldemort is thinking for an easy victory.

That leads to the need to get rid of the scar. I have had mixed feelings as to whether the scar was a horcrux or not, but it seems like it must be. We are pretty sure Voldemort was going to make another horcrux after ing the Potters, celebrating victory with it's formation. This would make it likely that making the horcrux was on his mind, and an accidental non-verbal spell made the scar his horcrux.

There is also controversy as to whether there is a scar on Harry's head on the new DH cover. I really don't see one, at least not where it should be. This leads me to think that Harry was able to remove it and the horcrux somehow. He is standing up against Voldemort on the cover art, not on the ground in pain. The scar must be a horcrux, he must remove it to stand up to Voldemort, and he has to destroy it and the other horcruxes.

Posted by Dave Porter from New Mexico on May 17, 2007 08:52 AM

Dave Porter

Nice comment, remember also that the parting Snape told Harry, while being chased by him, that he needed to keep his mind closed, and his mouth shut, thus giving Harry an important lesson at the end of HBP.

Harry have to learn occlumency, and to master non verbal spells before he can face The Dark Lord.

If your assumption is correct, Voldemort would unblock his own mind in order to create pain in Harry's, but this would backfire if Harry had his mind closed, and might even be able to read Voldemorts mind, thus being able to vanquish him.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on May 17, 2007 11:17 AM

Dave Porter - It may be, now that Voldemort is privy to the connection between his own and Harry's minds, that he has also figured out that Harry's scar hurts when these connections happen. Perhaps he is planning to use it as a weapon, a way to incapacitate Harry for a while. However, if this is his plan, it would illustrate Voldemort once again underestimating his opponent, and his lack of understanding that there are things worse that physical pain. Harry has faced Voldemort and come out the victor with his scar hurting the entire time at least twice now (Philosopher’s Stone and Goblet of Fire). Harry has the drive and determination to continue to fight while bearing whatever physical pain that may befall him. He even carried out his duel in Goblet of Fire with a severely injured leg.

Regarding whether a scar is on the US cover or not, well, it has not escaped my notice that, although Harry's glasses were supposed to have been mended no later than by Arthur in Diagon Alley in Chamber of Secrets, they are still held together with tape on the covers of Books 2, 3, 4, and 5. Minute details, such as the placement of the scar, change with every artist rendition (and I do see the scar under his hair), and renditions may be inaccurate.

As to whether or not he or his scar is a horcrux, I see both arguments as equally precise; both make perfectly logical sense. The only thing with which I can form my own opinion is what Jo says on her website...

Posted by Monkeeshrines from Orlando FL on May 17, 2007 12:21 PM

This seems to be a tricky discussion, because there are so many theories about the horcruxes and Harry being one of them.
I agree that Voldemort didn't use the AK curse on Harry, as everyone in the magic world believes. Voldemort himself explains this on GoF, when in the graveyard he told the eaters that that story was a lie, and that he couldn't Harry because of Lily's sacrifice, so he couldn't touch him. Even, the green blast Harry sees in his dreams and nightmares may come from Lily's , not from the AK against him. How Voldemort could "do" a horcrux in Harry after ing his parents, I don't know, but...
This part of the story be better explained to us in the last book, but it seems quite reasonable to argue the idea that there were somebody else with Voldemort, because as we saw on HBP, Dumbledore said to Harry that Voldemort wanted to collect artifacts from Hogwarts founders. As far as we know, he was always alone. I think he went to Godric's Hollow to Harry (because of the prophecy) and his parents, two birds in one shot. But there is something missing in that part of the history...
It's probably that Potter is descendant of Gryffindor. Is it possible that Harry's cloak belonges to the Hogwarts founder? Is it possible that Voldemort was looking for that cloak? It seems so, because in addition, Dumbledore had it and gave it to Harry in his first year in the school. Somebody was urged to rescue it from Potter's house (maybe James?).

Posted by Patricio from Buenos Aires on May 17, 2007 2:38 PM

we all know how JKR likes to trick us, matbe Harry being a horcrux is the obvious, and detracts us from finding the real one. She has said careful readers can find it, for the life of me I can't, but does anyone have any good ideas aside from Harry and Ginny?

Posted by mmc from sa, australia on May 17, 2007 9:06 PM

This would explain why "One cant live without the other."
Not meaning that neither can live without the other, but meaning "One (Voldemort) cant live without the other (Harry)."

Posted by Justin P from Prattville Alabama on May 18, 2007 11:07 PM

Partirico, that is a really good idea. Personally yes, i think that he was looking for something, but then why would Dumbledore give him the cloak? wouln't it be safer, in Dumbledore's office?

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2007 12:26 AM

This is a great article and it almost had me. Till i remembered a scene in my favorite of the books the order of the phoenix that in my opinion prove this theory wrong. In chapter 26 the only one he feared pg 816, " me now Dumbledore..." Blinded and , every part of him screaming for release, Harry felt the creature use him again... "If is nothing, Dumbledore, the boy..." Let the pain stop, thought Harry. Let him us... End it, Dumbledore... is nothing compared to this...

If Harry is the 6th horcrux why would voldemort take over harrys body and tell Dumbledore to him? Horcruxes seem to mean more than anything to the dark lord so why would he tell Dumbledore to destroy one? I think is a good guess to believe that both harry and the dark lord in the end for i too believe that the prophecy states that for one to the other he himself must , but i do not believe the theory that harry is the 6th horcux.

Posted by Daniel Jeffery from Denver, Co on May 19, 2007 8:36 PM

The Avada Kedavra curse that Voldemort DID use on Harry rebounded nearly ing him. This is stated very clearly in several of the books. He coud not have used a spell on Harry to make him a Horcrux. The spell would have rebounded on Voldemort and been negated since his soul was already inside himself. It would not have ed him. (Or nearly ed him since he already had several horcruxes in place.) His sole reason for going to the Potter's home was to Harry. The fact that James and Lilly got in the way was incidental.

Harry is not a Horcrux. Harry's scar created a bond between Voldemort and Harry, a link. Harry is not carrying a part of Voldemort's soul around in him. Dumbledore said at one point that Voldemort wanted his horcruxes to be prized objects (not rusty cans, but Historically important artifacts), not living things that could themselves be ed. If Nagini is a horcrux, it was out of necessity, not because he chose it ahead of time. He was attempting to Harry and elimante a threat to his rise to power.

And if Harry were a Horcrux, Voldemort would have control over Harry, just as he does with Nagini.

Posted by Ken Chandler on May 20, 2007 4:02 PM

Pages:  <<  <  36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 ...  >  >>