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Is Harry the last horcrux?
by David Haber
In Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince, we learned that, to make himself immortal, Lord Voldemort ripped his soul into seven pieces, and created six horcruxes (the seventh piece of his soul still residing in his body). We know or suspect about five of the horcruxes. Is it possible that Harry is the sixth horcrux? There are clues to suggest that he is.
> Read the full articlePages: << < 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 ... > >> Reader Comments: (Page 38) Hendrata, I think you're at something, saying that Harry's scar is related to "he mark him as his equal". The scar is clearly a mark. But does the scar make Harry being equal to Voldemort in some way? Or is it only the sign for it? And how is Harry equal to Voldemort?
If it is the scar that makes Harry equal to Voldemort, then maybe the scar contains Voldemort's soul. Would it then be a Horcrux? Not sure, the Horcrux seems to contain an inert part of the soul, unable of consciousness (except for the diary), while the scar seems active.
Interesting topic. Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 26, 2007 10:16 AM
well i certainly disagree with this.. because if harry is the last sixth horcrux then why did voldemort try to harry at the end of Goblet of fire? moreover in the chamber of secrets...voldemort (riddle) himself says that "ing muggles doesn't matter to me anymore and from many months my new target has been you". so definitely harry is not voldemort's sixth horcrux... Posted by zafar from hyderabad on March 27, 2007 10:38 AM
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I used to think that Harry was a horcrux too. As far as Harry having to so that Voldemort can, but Harry having to Voldemort I have another theory. As shown by the ring that Dumbledore has in "Half-Blood Prince", the object does not have to be completely destroyed in order to de-activate the horcrux. The ring wasn't completely obliterated; it just had a big crack in it. Same for the diary; it was just destroyed ENOUGH to release the part of Voldemort's soul it was holding. I figure that if Harry was a horcrux, he could get into the battle with Voldemort and Voldemort would conclude "Well, if Harry Potter is the only person who can me, but he's also my last horcrux, I’ll just him and make myself some new horcruxes." Harry would have to be very aware and careful to only let himself be weakened enough so that he is destroyed as a horcrux but still has the strength to destroy Voldemort. Then he would probably from a mix of losing the piece of soul that was protecting him in a way and from over-exertion and wounds.
Another theory I would have if Harry was a horcrux is that Voldemort tried to Harry but couldn't, saw that Harry was unharmed except for the scar (which would still be a wound at that point) and remembered the prophecy. In those last moments before he was physically ed, he put a piece of his soul into Harry, making him a horcrux. He knew that if/when he came back to power, the only people who would want to Harry would be his supporters but he wouldn't let them. The wizards against Voldemort would know that Harry was their only safety and would not be ing to him to make Voldemort vulnerable. It would be the perfect place to hide his soul piece. Posted by Melissa from Los Angeles, California on March 27, 2007 3:54 PM
jens from freiburg,
I agree with your theory, put in a different context, we could say that the Horcruxes are the ropes that tie a boat to the pier. Once you have removed all ropes except one (destroyed all horcruxes except one Harry could Voldemort (turn the boats engine on) and the, and only then himself, the last horcrux (releasing the last rope) thus letting the soul (boat) go.
This is, if Harry as a whole where the horcrux, but I believe that It only be his scar, which he find a way to remove, just before the final battle. Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 27, 2007 4:05 PM
Emilio--
I don't think that Harry be able to remove his scar, because of this quote from Dumbledore in SS/PS-
"Couldn't you-" starts McGonagall. "Even if I knew how, I wouldn't (remove Harry's scar). Scars can come in very useful..."
Besides, JKR says on her site that Harry OR Harry's scar is NOT a Horcrux. Nice deducing though, I envy your ss at it. Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 27, 2007 6:36 PM
in the goblet of fire voldemort tried to him and why would he his own horcrux, unless voldemort didn't know that harry was his horcrux. an other explanation is what if that really wasn't voldemort? it might be what they want you to think it was, but what if it was someone else like salazar slytherin because in other theories people can come back to life. so maybe he was the real one who put that scar on harrys head instead of voldemort. Posted by charlotte from ashwaubenon, wisconsin on March 27, 2007 7:11 PM
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We cannot be sure that Voldemort really tried to Harry, even if it seems so.
1) We can't take for granted anything that Voldemort says. He can have good reasons to let the Eaters think that he tries to Harry. That doesn't mean he really intends to do so.
2) Voldemort sends Harry green light curses. We can't be sure that those curses are real Avada Kedavra. The only one we can be sure of is the one sent to Dumbledore (it "s" Fawkes). Avada Kedavra is usually associated with a strong gust of wind. Nothing like that appears in the curses Voldemort sends to Harry. And Bellatrix sends green light to Harry, very unlikely to be Avada Kedavra, which means that other curses can produce green light.
3) Voldemort can say Avada Kedavra and not mean it; the same remark applies for Snape in front of Dumbledore.
I think that Voldemort made Harry's scar in purpose ("he mark him as his equal"). It has magical effects, like being able to get soul, memories and power from Voldemort. That was part of a Voldemort's great plan. This plan failed because Harry's soul got a protection that Voldemort didn't know of, and Harry's soul survived.
But the scar having high magical effects doesn't mean it is a Horcrux. Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 28, 2007 02:38 AM
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emilio,
i even believe it would be possible to first Voldemort (his body) and after this destroy his 6 horcruxes. The order doesn't matter, "all" you have to make sure is that there's one point in time where no piece of Voldemort's is bound to earth because it's either in his body or in a horcrux. So I don't think that horcruxes give your body any kind of protection.
But of course I agree with David that it is very difficult to Voldemort's body. Phyisically (for example with a gun) it be just impossible; with magic it would be theoretically possible but very hard (in praxis impossible). So there's only way: the magic of love which Voldemort doesn't know nor respects.
Ashley,
I doubt that this is a real quote from JKR. We wouldn't be discussing here if JKR really had stated that Harry is not a horcrux.
charlotte,
JKR once stated that before starting writing she decided what magic couldn't do: one of these things was bringing people back from . So if Slytherin once d in the past he won't appear in DH. Posted by jens from freiburg, germany on March 28, 2007 07:18 AM
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Jens from Freiburg,
I agree with you, the order should not matter, as long as Voldy doesn't have the time nor the resources to come back before all the pieces of his soul are released from their earthly boundings.
Hervé from Strasbourg,
I always enjoy your postings, even though I don’t always agree with you. I feel that you sometimes throw things at us to make us question our ideas or beliefs, even though you do not completely believe what you are posting. In any case, I find your postings very imaginative and well researched, congratulations.
One thing that I am certain about is that Vody is trying to Harry. The Dark Lord is obsessed with the prophesy and stop at nothing to Harry, He did try to him at Goderic Hallows (he told Harry in GoF in the cemetery), he tried in the Cemetery and was shocked with the locking of the wands, and outraged that he hadn’t been able to finish him off, thus trying to find out more about the prophesy in OotP, he tried to Harry at the ministry…
When at the end of HBP Snape tells the other Eaters to remember their orders not to Harry, that he belongs to The Dark Lord, it tells me that Voldemort is obsessed with Harry and wants to prove to others, and to himself, that He, Lord Voldemort, is the Greatest wizard of all times. Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 28, 2007 09:25 AM
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I do not think that Harry is a horcrux.:
First, Slughorn says that you have to commit to have a horcrux but if this was the case all the Eaters would have some kind of Horcrux. I think you must have some kind of spell to do it and Voldemort couldn't accidently say the spell!
Second, Voldemort's soul piece is a dark soul, an evil soul. If the horcrux was inserted into harry, wouldn't Lily's love for Harry shove it out?
There are many more reasons why I don't think it's true but too many to explain here. Even though, I believe Harry and his scar are not horcruxes, there would be a way for Harry to himself and Voldemort to defeat Voldemort forever. It never said that to destroy a living horcruxe (or a non-living one) you had to do the ing curse. What if Harry took a 10 second poison or whatever time and as soon as he felt it working he fired the ing curse at Voldemort? They would be ed simultaneously! Also if Harry ed Voldemort first it would still work. If all of the horcruxes were destroyed when Voldemort didn't have a body I think he would . Posted by Adeeba from New Hartford, NY on March 28, 2007 5:23 PM
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Here's a couple more possibilities for Horcruxes:
1. The Sorting Hat
In The Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore says that, " Four objects from the four founders would, I am sure, have exerted a powerful pull over Voldemort's imagination. I cannot answer for whether he ever managed to find anything of Ravenclaw's. I am confident, however, that the only known relic of Gryffindor reamains safe.' Dumbledore pointed his blackened fingers to the wall behind him, where a ruby-encrusted sword reposed within a glass case."
Isn't the Hat a relic of Gryiffindors? How could Dumbledore have missed this? It's possible that he just missed it, but unlikely. And, when Voldemort comes to request a teaching position one last time, Harry was, "sure that Voldemort's hand had twitched toward his pocket and his wand..." Now, surely Dumbledore should have felt a powerful spell like that of making a Horcrux easily. But why, then, does he so blatantly miss it? Also, Mr. Weasly tells Harry in the second book not to trust anything that you can't see where it keeps it's brain. Where is the Hat's brain? I don't know. Maybe the hat doesn't realize that it is a Horcrux.
2. The tiara in The Room of Requirement
OK, this one is a long shot. But it seems reasonably certain that if an item of Ravenclaws is a Horcrux, its already been mentioned in one of the books somewhere. If you remember, as Harry is running through the Room of Requirement, looking for a place to stash the Half-Blood Prince's book, he hides behind a cage, then places a bust on top with a tiara on it. Now, I realize that this is far-fetched, but of all the items listed in the books, this is one of the more likely ones. Posted by Reilly & Connor K from Rigby, ID on March 28, 2007 8:26 PM
Adeeba from New Hartford,
When Harry and Dumbledore are in Slughorn's memory, Slughorn tells Tom Riddle what are horcruxes, and tells him "there is an incantation, don't ask me about it, I don't know it" or something like that, so this suggests that to make a horcrux you need to somebody in order to tear your soul, and then perform an incantation that would extract the torn piece an place it on the object that hold it.
Reilly & Connor K from Rigby,
I believe that JKR mentioned in an interview that the Sorting Hat is definitely NOT a horcrux.
I totally agree with the tiara in the room of requirement being Ravenclaw's, and I think that Harry remember it at the Wedding, because Fleur be wearing a goblin made tiara (offered to her by Mrs. Weasley). Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 29, 2007 10:15 AM
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