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Is Harry the last horcrux?

by David Haber

In Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince, we learned that, to make himself immortal, Lord Voldemort ripped his soul into seven pieces, and created six horcruxes (the seventh piece of his soul still residing in his body). We know or suspect about five of the horcruxes. Is it possible that Harry is the sixth horcrux? There are clues to suggest that he is.

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I don't recall seeing the wand on the purple pillow in the first movie when Harry goes to Ollivander's to buy his wand. This makes me think that particular wand not be significant.

Posted by Patty from Quincy Massachusetts on March 5, 2007 5:09 PM

Good theory but if Harry is the Horcrux, Voldemort would never want to him. But when asked by Narcissa and Bellatrix why he never ed harry, snape says many things but one "Were saving him for the dark lord." And in book 4 Voldemort was planing on ing Harry at the Grave Yard. Many times it is mentioned that Harry is to be ed by voldemort or of a plan by Voldemort to him.

Posted by Tom Gaunt from Little Hangleton on March 6, 2007 5:24 PM

Not likely, since that would mean when Voldemort ed Harry's parents, he would have been two Horcruxes short of six. Remember, Nagini was only a Horcrux after Frank Bryce's ing at the beginning of the fourth book.

Posted by Elliot from Newton, MA on March 8, 2007 04:27 AM

Elliot: you're right about Nagini if she was made a Horcrux after Frank Bryce's ing, but this is pure Dumbledore speculation.

What Dumbledore says:
- Nagini behaves in such a way that she could be hosting Voldemort's soul
- a Horcrux shouldn't be a living creature

I've considered the idea that Nagini is a Horcrux, but not a real snake. If the Nagini-Horcrux is an object, then it's a transfigured object, just like the gerbil-cup the Prime Minister gave to his delighted niece (she believed it was a real gerbil).

This object could have become a Horcrux after Frank Bryce's ing, but as well, it could be an older Horcrux, made for instance after James's ing, or even earlier.

Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 8, 2007 08:03 AM

I don�t think Harry is a Horcrux because one of the things that Voldy was trying to do was to have seven parts of his soul, so he could be the most powerful wizard ever, but he has been trying to Harry since book one (without counting the fist attempt when Harry�s parents d), first by trying to make him fall from the broom in Quidich, then in front of the mirror or Erised, when Harry had the Sorcerer�s Stone, on book two he sends the basilisk after Harry, in Book four he tries to him himself with the Avada Kedavra curse (which doesn�t work because of the Brother Wands), in book five in the ministry�

That Harry�s scar play a major roll, of that I have no doubt. If you remember, in the first book, Minerva McGonagall mentions the �Horrible Scar� on little Harry�s forehead and asks Dumbledore if he can remove it, but Dumbledore tells her that Scars might be useful, like Subway maps or something like that, so it is possible that the scar be a sort of guide, map or compass that guides Harry and the others to the horcruxes, or a horcrux itself. If the scar is a kind of horcrux, this happened without Voldemorts Knowledge or intent, because he WAS trying to Harry, and AFTERWARDS he was to make the last horcrux.

Voldemort made horrcruxes after what he considered important s, and he wanted to put the pieces of his soul in things that where important or had a certain significance, thus the search for relics from the founders of Hogwarts. As Voldy wanted to be immensely powerful and immortal, he created his first Horcrux (the diary) after ing his father, and after he had achieved his first step into �immortality� by placing his memories in the diary, diary that could control or guide students in the future in order for them to open the Chamber of Secrets. As he wanted the diary to be read and handled, hi did not put any protections in it, but probably thought it better afterwards, when creating the other horcruxes and tried to better protect the rest of the pieces of his soul so that they could not be released by accident, and that if anyone was on to him and his horcruxes, that it would cost him/her dearly, thus the protection and barriers to get to the locket and the charms or courses protecting the ring from being destroyed. The ring was still a ring when Dumbledore released the part of the soul within it, but it was a �Damaged ring�.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 8, 2007 10:30 AM

Patty re. the wand on the pillow-
The PoA movie did not include who Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, nad Prongs were, but that does not make that insignificant. The four mauraders and the fact that they were mauraders plays an extremely important role in the future; how many times have we seen Padfoot transform? And when Harry goes into the Pensieve, the four mauraders call each other by their nicknames; that would make absolutely no sense to people that only watch the movies, because we have never matched the name to the face before then.
Where I'm going with this is that perhaps when the movie came out the wand wasn't important. The first movie should have included threstrals, because Harry had seen his mother , but JKR hadn't introduced them yet. I think that the director of the movie didn't know the significance of the wand on that purple pillow, but that doesn't mean that the wand doesn't mean anything because it isn't included in a movie.
And on another subject, doesn't Rowena Ravenclaw kind of seem like she was a "Charms" type of person? Hufflepuff seems like a Herbologist, Gryffindor seems like Transfiguration, and Slytherin reminds me of Potions. Does that strike you as odd, that each remind me of a different subject? The most prominent of those is Ravenclaw seems like Charms. It sort of feels like that is what they were good at, and the wand that chose them was talented at that particular area of magic. So I don't know if Neville would be destined for Ravenclaw's wand; he is more of a Herbologist.
I FIGURED IT OUT! Flitwick teaches Charms, and he is the Head of Ravenclaw. McGonagall teaches Transfiguration, and she's the Head of Gryffindor. Snape teaches (or taught, whichever book you look at) Potions, and he is/was the Head of Slytherin. Sprout teaches Herbology, and she's the Head of Hufflepuff!
It makes sense now!

Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 8, 2007 2:27 PM

The way I see it, Harry isn't the last Horcrux, I explain myself:

On countless times Voldemort has wanted to have Harry ed. To this you might respond saying that Voldemort was unaware of their connection, but there are four things that prove, in my humble opinion, otherwise:

In OotP, when Voldemort possesses Harry, he (Voldemort) says to Dumbledore: "If means nothing to you, us both". Voldemort knew of the connection already because he managed to lure Harry into the Department of Mysteries to fetch the Prophecy he failed to hear entirely. This shows both his knowledge of bond between himself and Harry and that he knew the Prophecy to be incomplete.

Also, t the ending of HBP, when Snape, Malfoy and the other Earter are fleeing Hogwarts, the other Eater wanted to Harry, but Snape yells at him "Potter belongs to the Dark Lord". This reveals that Voldemort wants to catch Harry, possibly him.

Nagini being a Horcrux, Dumbledore says that Voldemort controls her astonishingly well, even for a Parseltongue, now, how come Voldemort hasn't managed to control Harry, he managed to control Ginny, and she said that she remembered nothing. Existing such a link between Harry and Voldemort, it would be much easier to control him than Ginny, seeing that he inhabits Harry

Supposing Harry is Voldemort's Horcrux, it is not possible, in my opinion, that two souls so powerful co-exist inside a same body. Maybe Voldemort co-existed with Quirrel, but this is because Quirrel was weak and full with evil, meanwhile, Harry is pure-hearted, as Dumbledore points out in OotP, this way, something so evil as Voldemort's soul (even if it's just a seventh part of it) cannot exist within Harry because, even though duality is human nature, we are not talking of one human but two humans.

Now, moving on to the other Horcruxes, both ring and diary destroyed, presumably so is the locket. The cup, which whereabouts are unknown, I think it could be hidden in the Riddle mansion OR in Albania, which is where Voldemort's soul used to "live" (to put it somehow) before he was found by Peter Pettigrew. Nagini, well, it is a nice deduction, the catch is that it is very easy to a snake, even if it is one so powerful as Nagini.

Now, sixth Horcrux. For starters, we don't know if it exists, most probably it does, then, what is it? I am likely to feel my thought pull towards something that belonged to Rowena Ravenclaw, as Voldemort ws so attached to Hogwarts. I doubt it is Gryffindor's because the only known thing to be his is the Sword, and it exists in Hogwarts and was found by Harry.

Posted by Ra�l Llavaneras from San Antonio de Los Altos, Venezuela on March 8, 2007 3:26 PM

I dont think Harry is a Horcrux either, but I stand on a somewhat different platform than Raul.
I don't think that Harry could be a Horcrux because when the diary was a Horcrux it was pure evil. Harry is fighting the pure evil, not supporting it.
and I dont think Voldy is that scary. The Eaters were freaky though.
Heres how I see the six Horcruxes:
1. Marvolo's ring- destroyed, hidden?
2. the diary- destroyed, hidden w/ Lucius
3. the locket- possibly destroyed, formerly hidden in cave where Voldy terrorized the two kids
4. the cup- at large, possibly hidden in Borgin and Burkes, where Voldy had his first job, or in the Room of Requirement
5. Nagini- stays with Voldy. apart from being a Horcrux, a snake is useful to a Parselmouth.
6. Ravenclaws wand- i think this was the wand on the purple pillow, which Ollivander sold to Neville Longbottom. Cherry and unicorn hair, the last wand he ever sold before the shop was completely boarded up and you couldnt see the pillow anymore.
Also, Id like to comment on this from Raul:

"Also, at the ending of HBP, when Snape, Malfoy and the other Earter are fleeing Hogwarts, the other Eater wanted to Harry, but Snape yells at him 'Potter belongs to the Dark Lord'. This reveals that Voldemort wants to catch Harry, possibly him."

Not necessarily. you see, if Harry were a Horcrux, Voldy could SAY that his determination was to him, but does that really make it true?
Which leads me to my next question for my Harry Potter obsessed peers:
Once you make a Horcrux, can you remove your soul from that piece? If you could, then Voldy could remove, if Harry is a Horcrux which I highly doubt, the bit of soul that rests in his (harrys) body, and transfer it somewhere else.
Someone needs to check that with JKR because that isn't the sort of thing I do.

Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 8, 2007 4:22 PM

Raul your logic is excellent! I agree that Harry is not a Horcrux. For one thing, a spell has to be performed to make a Horcrux, which Voldemort did not have time to do when the Avada Kadavra backfired. I agree with Dumbledore that Voldemort did want to make a Horcrux to mark his triumph over Harry, but didn't get a chance to do it. I have always felt that a tiny bit of soul was transferred to Harry by Voldemort to fulfill the prophecy and "mark him as his equal" which would include the transfer of powers, parseltongue, etc. In this way Voldemort is creating his worst enemy, a wizard with equal powers and capabilities, but since these are not Harry's I am hoping he be able to expel them when Voldemort is vanquished. Voldemort believes in the prophecy and that is what made him act. I also see Voldemort's soul shredded into many pieces by the many s he has committed since each rips the soul and therefore a tiny shred may have been transferred. There was a question - when the soul is torn does it stay together so that each tear cuts the entire assembly in half? Or does it divide in to separate pieces and these pieces are torn? Would that make the Horcruxes less powerful as time goes on? The ring would be the most powerful? The diary the second most powerful? Even though I think a tiny shred of soul might be lodged in the scar on Harry's forehead, I agree with you that the two souls are not co-existing in Harry and it does not give Voldemort any control over Harry just a communication pathway and powers that are foreign to Harry. I hope he gets rid of it!

Posted by Raow from Petaluma, CA on March 8, 2007 5:45 PM

Ashley... while I am not sure I agree with you as to the significance of the relationships between founders and diciplines, I have to point out that Horace Slughorn of Slytherin also is a Potions Master....

As to Harry's being able to see thestrals... it may be that it is an error by later inclusion of the creatures in the story. (the official explination was that it took time for the vision to 'sink in' before you could see the thestrals, otherwise Harry would have seen thestrals leaving school in Goblet of Fire) However, we do not know that Harry actually SAW his mother . We only know that he heard her and saw the green light...possibly through closed eyes or even being hidden in some way.

Posted by Charlie Tarbox from Gettysburg, Pa on March 8, 2007 8:56 PM

Good deductive reasoning and connection-making with the heads of Houses with their respective magical strengths. I think you may be onto something. I'll be mulling it over to see where it leads.
As to thestrals in the first book/movie, JKR stated that at the age of 15 months, Harry would not have processed the of his mother fully, so that would not have shown him the thestrals. When Sirius d, she did not want to introduce such a new concept as thestrals at the end of a book, so they first appeared when Harry had lived with the effects of losing Sirius for a time, then he was able to see them.
The wand on the purple pillow may be significant, the director may have taken artistic license to omit it from the movie. Knowing how important horcruxes are in book 7 I think JKR would have noticed it missing, if it should have been there.

Posted by Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts on March 9, 2007 05:33 AM

Something I recently noticed was the relationship between Slytherin's locket and the water surrounding it. JKR has said that the four houses �correspond roughly to the four elements.� Gryffindor is fire, Ravenclaw is air, Hufflepuff is earth, and Slytherin is water. [Interview in 2005]

This leads me to think that perhaps the relationship between the houses and the elements would have been important to Voldemort and perhaps help in locating them. Earth is obvious, it could be underground like in the Chamber of Secrets or Gringotts, something like that. I'm not sure about the element of air though. I don't know how he would hide something in the air. Perhaps it is somewhere high that Harry have to climb/fly to. Any thoughts?

Posted by Lisa from North Carolina on March 10, 2007 10:15 AM

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