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Is Harry the last horcrux?

by David Haber

In Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince, we learned that, to make himself immortal, Lord Voldemort ripped his soul into seven pieces, and created six horcruxes (the seventh piece of his soul still residing in his body). We know or suspect about five of the horcruxes. Is it possible that Harry is the sixth horcrux? There are clues to suggest that he is.

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very interesting stuff, but we're forgetting something important. Voldemort couldn't posess Harry's body without being in pure agony. (dumby says this in either OotP or HBP.) if harry had a piece of Voldemort inside him for one and a half decades or so, the soul would've been by now, or at least voldy would have felt it. even if he was detached from it for so long. there's no way he would have planted a piece of his soul into harry and not notice it.

and anyway, the prophecy said "Neither can live while the other survives". well, if harry IS a horcrux, the prophecy wouldnt make sense, bacause, as long as harry is a horcrux, its either "both live or both ", isnt it?

Posted by Ayoub from Kuwait on February 22, 2007 11:12 PM

i agree about Wormtail turning good. Near the begining of HBP, whilst Snape and Narcissa are talking, Snape mentionts that Wormatial has "Taken to listening at doors". very spy-like methinks... He is going to redeem himself to harry by providing a horcrux i think.

Posted by Michelle on February 23, 2007 04:02 AM

Ayoub: I don't think so. Although I think Harry isn't a Horcrux, I do think there is part of Voldemort's soul inside his body, encaged in a very thin object marked with the scar. Harry could handle the diary, then he can touch objects including a part of Voldemort's soul.

Posted by herve from strasbourg on February 23, 2007 10:31 AM

herve from strasbourg: yeah, but you're forgetting wat dumbledore said. Voldemort has been detached from his horcruxes for too long. Even he didn't know about the diary until Lucius told him. dumbledore said something along those lines. so voldemort couldnt have felt harry touching the book if he didnt feel him the book.

but now i thought of something...

Remember Dumbledore told Harry that voldemort was almost definitely going to make his final horcrux with harry's ? then the curse intended to Harry and form the horcruz backfired, didnt it? but Voldemort, who would've been ed, didnt, but WHY? BECAUSE HE HAD OTHER HORCRUXES! so, maybe Voldemort, technically did , and Harry ed him. this means that because voldemort had been planning on ing harry and making a horcrux, when the spell backfired, Harry made a horcrux too.

so, if my theory is correct, harry is not the horcrux, Voldemort possibly is Harry's Horcrux. or maybe voldy isnt harry's horcrux, but we must consider the idea that harry might also have another horcrux that noone knew about, maybe even dumbledore.

so even IF harry IS a horcrux, he himself before he s voldy, right? (because dumbledore made it clear that anyone wishing to voldemort would attack the soul that is urrently inside voldemor's body.) meaning, harry has to first destroy the horcruxes OUTSIDE of voldy's body.
So, Harry would have to the horcrux in himself first before he s the one in Voldy's body. then harry would come back to life and destryoy voldemort.

Posted by Ayoub from Kuwait on February 24, 2007 12:57 AM

I do not believe that Harry is a Hocrux. The prophecy says "Neither can live while the other survives" which means on of them either Harry or Voldemort. and another thing two main characters in the 7th book and ive heard reponses that Hermione and Ron , but i dont think that's possible because harry or voldemort has to and then another one of the main characters. JK Rowling surpise you all, i dont think anyone can guess what she is going to end the book with, it be an ending to surprise us all.

Posted by Roxie from Louisiana on February 24, 2007 03:28 AM

In spite of the fact that I don't like to think that Harry is a Horcrux, I believe you developed the idea very well. However, if Harry was indeed a Horcrux... Why Voldemort is so keen to him? In my opinion that is a very strong point, because I don't believe Voldemort destroy a part of his soul. And if I'm not mistaken, Dumbledore told Harry that Nagini would be a Horcrux in replacement for the one Voldemort could not create when he ed Harry's parents.

Posted by Maia from Montevideo, Uruguay on February 25, 2007 09:26 AM

Roxie, I'm sure you are correct in that JKR surprize us all. But, it's still fun to guess.

Dumbledore says to voldemort during their battle in OoTP at the Ministry of Magic that "there are other ways to destroy a man". Voldemort think that is the worst, but dumbledore knows this is not true. My point is that maybe Voldemort be destroyed another way. Loss of magical abilities? dementor's kiss once all horcruxes destroyed?

As for harry, I hope is doesn't . If he is a horcrux i think it was by accident, and i hope that it can be removed without ing Harry.

Posted by Heather from NJ on February 25, 2007 10:19 AM

I love this. I am positive Harry is a horcrux (and I just heard this idea tonight).

1) Voldemort was (and in with her foreshadowing this means did) gonna make a horcrux that night he cursed Harry. What else could it be but Harry (because Lily's was the sacrifice needed). The last thing Voldemort did before he lost his powers was curse Harry and, conisdering he was going to use this night to create his last horcrux, he still had one to make leaving it to be only one thing.

2) Tricks are a writers forte and the fact that J.K. has never written the EXACT curse preformed on Harry but let us ASSUME it was AK surely means it wasn't.

3) Following this idea of people being wrong, look at the newspapers. J.K. has purposefully made the Daily Prophet ALWAYS wrong, so why would it, for some strange reason, be right about what happened between Harry and Voldemort (ie the AK curse)

4) Voldemort thought was the worst thing and therefore thought the human horcrux (one of the only people to know he was a horcrux) would never itself. Maybe that's the magic he underestimated (love for others so you would sacrifice).

There are huge holes (ie. If Harry is a horcrux how did Voldemort get hurt when he cursed him?) but the idea that Harry can't is propsterous. Also, don't underestimate Neville's role in the final battles as J.K. never just lets things go and he was the other boy in the prophecy (as well as one of only two faithfull DA members).

If you'll allow me, I'd predict that Harry s the body of Voldemort and has Neville him (or has Sirius in the form of a Dementor give the hime the kiss, the only LOVING Dementor's kiss ever given - reflect on how dementor's are created as mentioned in J.K.'s sister novel 'Magical Beasts'.

About the prophecy, it says that neither can LIVE, while the other survives. Well, I don't think that J.K. would consider exisiting without an intact soul living and therefore currently Voldemort doesn't live yet Harry survives.

Posted by Derek from Montreal, Quebec on February 25, 2007 8:11 PM

the daily prophet is not always wrong, it reported that dumbledore and the minister argued right after Scrimgeour took office. and we know that he did indeed argue with him. because dumbledore told us. and i think that dumbledore is always right when it comes down to voldemort. if we cant trust dumbledore then we cant trust anyone. dumbledore said that nagini was the last horcrux, so she is, and i dont really get why were having this discussion anyway, as dumbledore told us all of the horcruxes. voldemort wanted a seven part soul. not seven horcruxes.

Posted by david from south windsor CT on February 26, 2007 05:36 AM

Derek, I couldn't find Dementors being mentioned in "Fantastic Beasts". Could you point me to the page you read about it?

And for Voldemort and what he did the night when he lost his powers: let's hear the only person that really knows what happened that night: Voldemort himself, talking to his Eaters at the end of GoF (when he thinks he is victorious so he's definitly not lying):
"You all know that on the night I lost my powers and my body, I tried to him [Harry Potter]. [...] My curse was deflected by the woman's [Harry's mother] foolish sacrifice, and it rebounded upon myself. Aaah... pain beyond pain, my friends; nothing could have prepared me for it. I was ripped from my body, I was less than spirit, less than the meanest ghost.... but still, I was alive. What I was, even I do not know... I, who have gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality. You know my goal - to conquer . And now, I was tested, and it appeared that one or more of my experiments had worked... for I had not been ed, though the curse should have done it."

So, he definitely tried to Harry - and did not try to make him a horcrux.

Posted by jens from freiburg, germany on February 26, 2007 09:26 AM

As brave an author as J.K. is, I don't quite believe she has the courage to off the teen hero of what is, essentially, a piece of children's fiction. I do believe that one of the s / retirements be Madame Sprout so that there is a space for Neville to become a teacher. Also, in an interview after the sixth book, when J.K. was asked which characters she would invite to a dinner party she said ron, hermione and harry and then paused questioning whether she was allowed to invite characters. Was she just referring to Dumbledore / Sirius or did she mean characters that would be by the end of the book? If it was the latter then the core three cannot be the ones getting ed off.

Also, I do believe that Voldemort planned to create a horcrux on the night Harry d. As he was almost destroyed, however, was he able to create a horcrux that night? or only when he had returned to human form? If the latter is the case (as I feel more likely) then Harry is not a horcrux (and nor is the scar), but perhaps Wormtail's silver hand is? This would mean that the chance of Wormtail upholding his " to harry" and finally coming good may be even more relevant.

Interested to hear any thoughts...

Posted by shakespearean from bradford on February 26, 2007 09:43 AM

I'd never heard that idea about wormtail's hand, extremely enlightened. Although it would be interesting to look at the spell used to cast it (and Diggory's would be the necessary sacrifice). I'm just wondering if the horcrux spell requires the seven seperations to work (which would mean a horcrux must have been made halloween night). It certainly ties in with his though.

As for the rebutal to what happened that night, you got me Jens. Same for the whole prophet thing. But, I also pondered the dementor idea. A dementor sucks out ones soul, a very interesting ability considering it would be part of Voldemort's soul that resides in Harry.

I also am a firm believer that Harry must for if he doesn't, J.K. forever be hounded to write another sequel, a fact not lost on the author. As well, this is a children's book but think about original readers who would be about 10 or 11 at publication of book 1. They aren't children anymore and this shift in age is extremely evident in both the books and movies who both have become quite dark.

Posted by Derek from Montreal, Quebec on February 26, 2007 11:27 AM

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