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Is Harry the last horcrux?
by David Haber
In Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince, we learned that, to make himself immortal, Lord Voldemort ripped his soul into seven pieces, and created six horcruxes (the seventh piece of his soul still residing in his body). We know or suspect about five of the horcruxes. Is it possible that Harry is the sixth horcrux? There are clues to suggest that he is.
> Read the full articlePages: << < 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 ... > >> Reader Comments: (Page 25) Herve; Oops..I cannot agree with you this time and we actually have prove that Voldemort tried to Harry.I am afraid I won't be the only to tell you!
Your comment: "We have absolutely no evidence that Voldemort tries to Harry, except in SS because he wants the stone over anything else."
This is incorrect. Tom Riddle alias Voldemort, calls the Basilisk to Harry in CoS - when Harry is ly injured, Riddle says to Harry:" I'm going to sit here and watch you , Harry Potter. Take your time, I'm in no hurry"! (..and to think that this boy Riddle was only sixteen years old at that time..!)
Also in GoF the newly risen Lord Voldemort tries again to Harry.Chapter "Priori Incantatem":
... Does this mean you are tired of our duel? Does this mean that your would prefer me to finish it now, Harry? Come out Harry...come out and play, then..it be quick...it might even be painless..I would not know..I have never d...!
Under the eyes of the Eater's Voldemort cried AVADA KEDAVRA - which Harry countered with EXPELLIARMUS...
And finally in OotP, BEFORE Dumbledore arrives in the "Atrium." Voldemort shows his true face:
" I have nothing more to say to you,Potter," he said quietly. " You have irked me too often, for too long. AVADA KEDAVRA
Considering that Voldemort tried four (also in Godric's Hollow) times to Harry without much ado, I am positively convinced that he didn't know that Harry could be one of his Horcruxes! Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on February 14, 2007 07:44 AM
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Michiel: I'm giggling, because I came up with that "theory" myself a few days after HBP was released! Actually, I didn't say that Hogwarts WAS a horcrux - just that Voldemort would have WANTED to make it into one.:) It's a fanciful notion, but it would have been pretty cool.
Herve: I must respectfully disagree with you with regard to your assertion that there is no evidence that Voldemort tries to Harry.
In OotP, Bellatrix doesn't stun Harry - the stupefy spell was his that she deflected with a protego, and he ducks it. She initially tries to slow him down to make her escape, but he follows her up to the atrium. She throws a few hexes at him, one hex in particular which blows the head off of the wizard statue, and then tries to use Crucio on him after he tries it on her. She doesn't try to him because she wants the prophecy from him, he tells her it was destroyed, and she, well, she loses it. That's when Voldemort steps in.
Voldemort DOES try to him and throws an AK at him which Dumbledore blocks with a statue. (OotP - ch36, p813) Then Voldemort and Dumbledore duel, (Fawkes appears and saves Dumbledore from an AK, as you mentioned) and eventually Voldemort possesses Harry, tries to taunt Dumbledore into ing him by ing Harry, then flees with Bellatrix.
In CoS, Tom sends the basilisk after Harry - I would qualify that as trying to him. No, Tom doesn't know the whole story, but he knows what Ginny told him - that Harry was the one who vanquished his 'future self' when he was one year old. I think that's enough information and motivation for him to want Harry .
In GoF, Voldemort captures Harry, uses his blood for the regeneration spell, and then makes a big show about dueling with him in front of the DE's with every intention of ing him. He cast an AK at Harry, and the only thing that saved Harry was the Priori Incantatum. When he is fleeing and running for the portkey and Cedric's body, the DE's are trying to stop him, blasting the gravestones with curses. Voldemort screams at them to "stun him!", then Voldemort says," Stand aside! I him! He is mine!" (GoF US paperback, ch34, p669). Again, he is absolutely trying to him.
Voldemort wants to Harry himself. This much has always been clear. It's his pride, and it's a sore point for him - the "most powerful wizard" was brought to his knees by an infant. If Voldemort had merely wanted anyone to Harry - there were plenty of opportunities to do so, including ordering Snape to do it during OotP (or assist in some manner), or giving the task to Draco in HBP. It would have been a LOT easier for Draco to Harry than it was for him to mastermind Dumbledore's demise. Snape tells the other DE's in HBP, when they're fleeing after Dumbledore's , that "Potter belongs to the Dark Lord". (HBP US paperback - Ch28, p603)
You're right that green light does not absolutely mean AK - there may very well be other spells which produce a green light, however we have never seen any of these "other" spells within canon. Green light has always been reserved specifically for AK, and stunning spells are always red - as far as we know. Posted by Alia from New York, NY on February 14, 2007 07:51 AM
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Mistral, Alia: your comments are great, most probably you are right in saying that Voldemort tries to Harry in GoF and OotP. I would add a few things, though.
First, we do see at least two jets of green light in OotP, produced by Bellatrix (when she faces Harry in the hall) and I don't imagine that these are ing curses. It could be the accio spells she cast in order to get the prophecy.
Second, it is clear that Voldemort makes the Eaters (in GoF) and Bellatrix (in OotP) think that he wants to Harry. That doesn't mean he really wants to Harry.
Third, there are slight clues in the wording in OotP. Bellatrix sends jets of green light (accio?). Voldemort appears and sends a jet of green light towards Harry. The jet is stopped by Dumbledore. Dumbledore shows himself, and Voldemort attacks him and misses him: "another jet of green light". A little bit further, Voldemort tries again: "another ing curse". We know for sure that Voldemort tried twice to Dumbledore, and sent a jet of green light towards Harry. The curse he cast towards Dumbledore were "ing curses". The one he cast on Harry was "a jet of green light". Just a coincidence, or something more?
From now on, everything is possible.... Posted by herve from strasbourg on February 15, 2007 01:00 AM
Harry couldn't be a horcrux because Voldemort already tried ing him...why would he want to his own horcrux? Fortunetly, Harry survived everytime...its also possible that the one who makes the horcrux and destroy it himself. Another theory that I have is that Harry could be a horcrux without Voldemort not even knowing. Posted by Sidra from New York on February 15, 2007 12:46 PM
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I agree to the extent that if Harry was a horcrux, it does seem unlikely that Voldemort would try to him. However, if it's the scar that's the horcrux, Harry alive or is immaterial - he's just inconveniently attached to it!
Tom Riddle (CoS) is a different matter; he's a memory of V. only up to the age of sixteen - an out of date back-up, if you like. His decision to try to Harry is based only on what he knows at the time. His motives need to be considered as different from the man he becomes outside the diary.
It is interesting that this horcrux behaves differently from the others. Might it be that it got more of Voldemort's soul than the rest?
To make a horcrux you need to "split your soul" by a deliberate act of . If it splits in two, it means that the diary, possibly the first horcrux made, got half of Voldemort's soul, a much bigger proportion than the rest.
If it keeps splitting in two, the bit left in Voldemort at present is very small indeed - 0.015625 of a soul to be precise (or one 64th for pre-decimal people)! A whack with a large hammer should sort that out! Posted by Goff Morgan from Wales, UK on February 15, 2007 1:26 PM
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1- Wouldn't Voldemort know if he made a horcrux? like, if another part of his soul was missing? or if he didn't make Harry a horcrux, then that he only had six horcruxes and not seven?
2- there's always the veil...Dumbledore may be brought back, maybe in spirit or something, but there's still Sirius... though JK didn't say too much more about the veil after the encounter with it at the ministry when Sirius s:(
3- JK did say that Harry is not a horcrux, and she said it outright, so i don't know about that...i don't think she would lie straight out about something so big as that. she may hint one way or the other, but i don't know about lying to her loving fans... though there is a lot of evidence. there are many ways to interpret things...
4- the last word of DH be scar...that says something. it could go either way though. the scar could disappear if Harry defeats Voldemort in some way (assuming he is a horcrux), or it could be that it stopped burning, or it would always be with him, symbolizing that Voldemort would always be a part of him, figuratively or maybe even literally if he is a horcrux...
Can't wait for OotP and DH! Posted by estel on February 15, 2007 2:39 PM
of course he's the sixth horcrux! voldemort tried to harry, because he'd rather have 6/7 of a soul than have dumbledore have possesion. Posted by alex on February 15, 2007 4:07 PM
Goff: Your horcrux math is excellent. I'd never thought of it that way, I never assumed every event of soul damage was an even split, in my mind's eye I pictured it more as "splintering", each horcrux receiving an approximately equivalent small piece, not necessarily half of what was remaining. But I like your way, too! Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on February 15, 2007 4:15 PM
If the ring is still a ring after being disarmed, could the ring have stayed a horcrux being broken?
If Harry is a horcrux, could his body still be a horcrux when he s. Can he cease to be a horcrux and live?And What happened to Lily's soul. She caused her own , saving Harry. Could half of her soul have ended up with a part of voldemorts soul, or could Harry just carry his mothers soul. Mixing up of souls in the middle of making a horcrux? Like accidentally putting sugar in the soup your making? Posted by Hyke from noordoostpolder on February 16, 2007 01:34 AM
As I said before:
Let's say Harry IS the horcrux and Voldemort knows he is. Wouldn't it just be part of Voldemorts plan?! He might know that Harry sooner or later would find out about the existence of the horcruxes made by Voldemort. It would be the perfect plan, wouldn't it? Harry cant him because there is still a horcrux (Harry) and a Harry can't Voldemort either. And why should Voldemort care for destroying one of his horcruxes if he can Harry with it? Posted by Michiel Verheijen from Venlo, Limburg, The Netherlands on February 16, 2007 02:03 AM
There is no reason for Voldemort to Harry and not Neville (except a of revenge), because he doesn't know that Harry is the chosen one. We know the whole prophecy, and for that reason, we assume that Harry is the one who can vanquish the Dark Lord. Voldemort only knows the first sentence (according to Dumbledore), so he knows that either Harry OR Neville can vanquish him. He knows that Harry didn't and caused him much damage, but definitely Harry didn't vanquish him.
I'm sure there is another reason for Voldemort to curse Harry:
(1) If he was afraid of being vanquished by Harry, he would let someone else take the risk of fighting with Harry, and he would do the same with Neville.
(2) To take his revenge over Harry, he doesn't need to him. Just hurt him and let someone else Harry would satisfy Voldemort the same way. Posted by herve from strasbourg on February 16, 2007 09:27 AM
Love the site and JKs books (films aren't bad either).
Anyway, you guys seem to have thought this one through from every angle.
It may have been said (and I've just missed it) but Harry is the noblest of characters and, if he is the last Horcrux, I think he would Voldemort and then himself. After all love is the deepest magic and self sacrifice (in the many forms it can take) is the deepest love of all (as Lily knows).
If someone has suggested this before, I appologise. Posted by Richard from UK on February 16, 2007 10:45 AM
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