Search Beyond Hogwarts:
Is Harry the last horcrux?
by David Haber
In Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince, we learned that, to make himself immortal, Lord Voldemort ripped his soul into seven pieces, and created six horcruxes (the seventh piece of his soul still residing in his body). We know or suspect about five of the horcruxes. Is it possible that Harry is the sixth horcrux? There are clues to suggest that he is.
> Read the full article
Pages: << < 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ... > >>
Reader Comments: (Page 15)
Maybe Nagini is a juvenile basilisk. Large, exceptionally long lived, and poisonous. Can't with eyes yet, maybe that's a trait for adult basilisks.
Posted by b from Denver, Colorado on January 18, 2007 2:04 PM
With the talk about 'Harry having Lily's eyes', there is an ancient proverb or old-saying, "the eyes are the window to the soul". Has anyone mentioned that? And I'm on the Harry Lives side but with all the different theorys and answers I've read on Beyond Hogwarts, Harry is a goner. But I don't think Harry is a horcux, not Lily's, LV's, or anyones, it's too simple of an answer to the puzzle. Maybe his scar can be a horcrux without Harry being one but how would the scar be removed or destroyed without wounding or ing Harry. I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a good answer to that question. Scourgify!
Posted by Rhonda from Pomona, IL on January 18, 2007 2:40 PM
Yes, Rhonda, I've posted my thoughts about Harry having Lily's eyes and I've found the references to that worded as JKR has worded it oddly interesting. Plus, she has clearly said Lily's eyes are important and we'll find out what it is in Book 7.
I'm not sure Harry being a horcrux (as I think he is) is too simple an idea but rather how he got to be a horcrux and how Voldemort's soul be removed from Harry is certainly monumentally complex (at least for anyone who is not JK Rowling). Harry isn't necessarily a goner, however. For what it's worth (and because so many comments casually refer to Harry being AK'd by Voldemort), I don't believe he was. There are more than one ing curse. We know that by reading JKR's words carefully. She has described the Avada Kedavra curse as being "unblockable". The curse thrown at Harry was blocked by Lily's sacrifice. Thus, it couldn't be AK.
By working through just that much of JK's world, we can figure that there's too much information that is routinely withheld from us. An awful lot we don't know. The intriguing web of mystery seems to become more complex as we try to simplify it. Certainly, the mark of a powerful author.
Posted by Hannah on January 18, 2007 4:59 PM
I have been thinking about a theory for Harry being a living Horcrux (or at least a living being w/ voldy's soul)and was about to post when i checked the last couple of days and realized that Izzet beat me too it.
Izzet, I agree w/ you. I think that Voldy went to Harry and b/c of Lily's love protection the AK curse rebounded and ed Voldy's body. Having just ed two people prior, his soul was ripped and ready, and was accidently put into Harry's body---voldy had no body left. (I think it was accidental, but the theory still works if you think that Voldy did this on purpose.)
So the AK curse ed Harry's soul and was replaced by 1/7 of Voldy's. I like the concept of it being his 1/7 good-Voldy-soul suggested by Izzet.
This fits w/ Trelawney reading Harry's palm and saying that it was the shortest lifeline she had ever seen. right? Harry's soul would have then d around 1 yr.
Also, this doesn't mean that Harry has to (please JKR, no!) Dumbledore is all about making choices and doing good and redemption. DD even tells Harry something to like we are who we are by the choices we've made (i have to find the quote).
Why couldn't Harry w/ Voldy's soul still be a good person? He has proven himself many times to take the high road and do the right thing. His heroics speak for themselves. And still he is Dumbledore's man through and through.
I think that Dumbledore would be happy to know that Voldy (in Harry's body) has redemmed himself due to a different set of life circumstances. It would be the ultimate life experiment that I think Dumbledore would appreciate.
Honestly, does Harry really have to then? NO! he still does need to go in search of all other Horcrux's and then Voldy last.
One other thing....Kevin, i'm w/ you on the blood connection w/ Lily, Putunia and Harry. Now that Voldy has Harry's blood in him too, does that mean that Voldy can no longer Harry. Was that the gleam in Dumbledore's eye? Can Harry still Voldy?
Posted by Heather from NJ on January 18, 2007 7:39 PM
Heather, you say that Voldemort's part of soul inside Harry could be a good one, something like Dr Je and Mr Hyde. Why not? But would there still be a part of goodness inside Voldemort's soul after all the evil acts he made, including ing his own father and making a Horcrux of it? I doubt it.
Besides that, the gleam in Dumbledore's eye is something really important (and also the fact that he jumps on his feet, which tells he is surprised). I don't think it weakens Voldemort, because of the second prophecy, but it would probably help Harry in some way. Now, would it help Harry to Voldemort or to be better protected? Or does it mean that you can extract something from the Horcrux without harming Harry? Difficult to say.
There's also a comment about the AK not being one. That's a nice idea. In the "Dumbledore is not topic", there are a few remarks about the AK Snape produces, that would be a different spell. You can say AK without meaning it, and make a different non verbal curse.
Posted by herve from strasbourg on January 19, 2007 03:15 AM
voldy probably tried to harry because his blood was used to help his "re-birth", which means that the horcrux in harry was used.
also maybe voldy thought that making harry a horcrux was better to cancel out the prophecy and that drained his powers instead of the ing curse.
how do we even know if there are 7 horcruxses? because of slughorns memory? what if he was wrong and they just assumed 7 but really there were only 6 or more because we know that voldy ed alot more than 7 people. and harry has lost control of his body in the OoP when voldy takes over his body, is it because he has control of the soul that is intact with harry? because voldy could have taken over dumbledores body and made harry him instead because he did not do this. it leads me to belive that part of voldys soul is in harrys body/scar.
Posted by bill from rochester , NY on January 19, 2007 04:53 AM
the line in the prophecy 'neither can live while the other survives', or something like that, doesn't necessarily mean that harry/voldy HAS to the other, it could mean that neither of them could live with themselves if they didn't the other.
i also like the theory that voldy didnt get round to making all 7 of the horcruxes. except i dont think that harry is the last horcrux i don't know why, but i don't. i also don't think that nagini is a horcrux either. that would mean theres only the:
-ring = destroyed
-locket = presumed destroyed by R.A.B
-cup = unknown
-diary = destroyed
-bit in voldy/bit used in GoF = in his body
-original bit in his body = destroyed @ Godric's Hollow
and voldy didn't end up finding something of ravenclaw's or gryffindor's.
oh and Kevin just a few questions that i was wondering about,
A) if a witch or wizard uses AK or another ing curse/spell, does that mean they automatically create a horcrux, even though they had no control over it?
B) if the AK curse voldy aimed at harry that night at Godric's Hollow backfired, would that have ed voldy's soul & body or just his soul?
C) and would one of his horcruxes have had to have 'found him' and thats what was travelling around as "worse then the meanest ghost"?
D) How does a horcrux leave it's vessell to find its owner?
i don't know if anyone's theorys are correct, but while we wait for the book, its fun to come on this great site and read everyone else's instead of just thinking about my own. and reading everyone else's comments has opened me up to new ideas and made me change my mind so many times. thanks to all those who helped create this site.
Posted by claire from townsville, queensland, australia on January 19, 2007 05:17 AM
to answer your questions(as best I can)
A: tears the soul, but there must be some spell or ritual that removes a piece of the soul from the body and puts it it some other container
B:When the body is destroyed, the soul is released and, to paraphrase 'Nick, "Moves on". the Avada' s the body but does not destroy it, it leaves no marks at all. it just s.
C:When the curse backfired it ripped Morty from his body, not from a locket or a ring, his body. The pieces of soul Morty put in his Horcruxes,with the exception of the ones destroyed by Harry, Dumbledore and perhaps R.A.B.,are still in place.
D: Simple answer, It don't.
If the soul is removed from its natural place, inside the body, it most remain "trapped" within its Horcrux or it be lost to the wizard that created the Horcrux.
I have a theory as to the "hows" and "whys", I just need to check a few things out.
It seems to me however, that the only time the soul is destroyed, is when a dementor eats it, other wise it just moves on, or is released.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 19, 2007 07:40 AM
The prophesy about Voldermort and Harry states that Voldermort labelled Harry as his equal. If Harry were a Horcrux, that would not make him very equal to Voldermort, now, would it. Also, it says in one of the books that Voldermort wanted to make a Horcrux with Harry's , but Harry never d...
Posted by Ariel on January 19, 2007 08:58 AM
I just realized that the scar magical link only works one way, from Voldemort to Harry.
Speaking of this link, don't you think that Voldemort wanted to wound Arthur Weasley and let Harry know about it just in order to check how Harry would react to it? He might have known from Malfoy that Harry's scar was hurting and that Weasley and Harry were very close (maybe Voldemort can see under invisibility cloak).
Posted by herve from strasbourg on January 19, 2007 1:03 PM
Herve, I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "the scar magical link only works one way, from Voldemort to Harry." Unless I misunderstood, we learned from Dumbledore that it's not just Voldemort's thoughts that afflict Harry but also Harry's thoughts and emotions that are transmitted to Voldemort. By the beginning of HBP, Voldemort had shut off the connection, but certainly during OotP, it was causing Harry quite a bit of grief.
Posted by Hannah on January 19, 2007 4:57 PM
As I read all the Harry Potter books again and again I am continually looking for small clues to see how the books might finally end. Upon reading comments here of how Harry might in the end, especially if he is a horcrux, I am now looking for clues to point that he survive. Upon reading the OOTP I came across an interesting line. Professor Trewlany is throughout the books predicitng Harry's premature . However in OOTP she is put under probation by Professor Umbridge and gets very upset by her. While Umbridge is in her class one day inspecting her she says that Harry in fact not at an early age but live a long full life, have lots of kids, and become minister of magic or something similiar to that. Is this just Professor Trewlany rambling about something or is it possible a small clue to end of the books? Knowing that she is thought to be less than a brillant seer by many, she has also predicted things that have come trueand of course has made a few very important revelations, even though she doesn't really know what she said. I would like to believe that this is a clue to the end, but maybe it's just a line in the book.
Posted by Brian from Washington on January 19, 2007 8:26 PM
Pages: << < 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ... > >>