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love this site...have just read 2 of these forums all the way through. most excellent.

but i thought i would point out that harry has already tried to use the mirror to contact sirius...it seems unlikely that it would suddenly start working again. like ootp says, sirius did not have the other mirror on him when he went through the veil.

also, all through the books one of jkr's main themes has been that is permanent. dumbledore stresses this constantly to harry at the end of nearly every book. to have a whole bunch of characters show up through the workings of 'hallows' would seem to defeat this main lesson she is teaching.
i believe that the veil is incredibly important, and i like the idea (i don't remember who posted it, sorry) that to harry would be welcome, because he could see all his loved ones again. he says so himself at the end of ootp. when voldy possesses him briefly harry wishes for dumbledore to him, 1) to end the pain, and 2) because then he could see sirius again. this causes the rush of love which of course expells voldy like the poison he is.
thus, ly hallows would be that place behind the veil. that which is after . this would insinuate that is not to be feared, but is simply the next 'great adventure.' harry go through so much pain and so many trials in this book, that on top of those he already bears, be the welcome release he desires after finishing his task of defeating voldemort. this ties in nicely with my belief that harry , because honestly, can anyone see him having a 'happily ever after'? he can't so much as spend 2 weeks without hearing news of some danger he must fight. he's not made for the quiet life.

and one more thing, bear with me.

all through these books harry has been 'dogged' (pardon the pun) by symbols of . trelawny in particular has never let him alone about it. yes, she is mostly an old fraud. but she does make some very important prophesies as we have been clearly shown. and she did foresee the 'lightning struck tower.' see hpb. she keeps trying to tell dumbledore, who consequently does not see this as shocking news. probably because he knows it's coming, and has planned it all out with mr. potions master snape. (see the ingenious theory dubbed 'stoppered- theory'.) so, i think that by having everyone dismiss trelawny all these years rowling has been hiding in plain sight all the early warnings of his premature .

any thoughts?

Posted by sarah from Boston, MA on March 18, 2007 1:02 PM

Sarah - I like what you've brought up about Trelawney. I had thought the same thing after rereading the book. Perhaps there is more to her than meets the eye. I almost hope that Harry goes back to Hogwarts for a bit to see if she can "predict" anything else.

Posted by Kim from Manchester on March 18, 2007 5:54 PM

i found somewhere on the internet that hallows in plural can mean saints, relics of saints, relics of gods or shrines in which the relics are kept. because of this i think that the hallows part of the title referes to the horcruxes, and the meaning of ly in the title could refer to the fact that to voldemort harry has to destroy them, meaning that they are ly to voldemort.

Posted by Carl from Birmingham, England on March 20, 2007 12:08 PM

Jordan: on your point about the final showdown.

This series is based on Harry's life at Hogwarts. I see the next confrontation between Harry and the eaters (at the start of Book Seven) taking place in Godric's Hollow at the site of the Potter manse, then Harry is going on to visit the Dursleys and finally attend the Weasley-Delacour nuptuals before going on to attend Hogwarts.

The Potterverse's final battle should take place at Hogwarts itself somewhere inside the Room of Requirement between Harry and the Dark Lord who are both trying to find the Horcrux enchanted into whatever it was that was hidden inside the Locket that RAB had hidden there. Hogwarts being the safest and most secure place in the Wizarding England, after all.

Posted by ken from la ca usa ea(rth) on March 20, 2007 12:52 PM

In the extras of HP Prisoner of Azakaban there is an interview with Cuaron and Rowling, where they talk about the graveyard at Hogwarts, which they indicate become very important later. Whether Hallows refers to that graveyard or not, something happen there!

Posted by Freddie from Toronto on March 26, 2007 05:46 AM

As Sarah from Boston said, Harry has already tried to use the mirror to contact Sirius, did not have the other mirror on him when he went through the veil, and if I recall correctly, Harry was upset and smashed the mirror in the floor of his room.

Sarah from Boston,

I DO see a hapy ending for Harry, he has finaly found love in Ginny and in a way is part of her family, and could realy become a part of it by marrying her.

All his problems have been Voldy related, so once Voldy is out of the picture he can have a more relaxed life.

After Voldy, Harry might become an auror, where he could continue fighting evil, along with Ron and Hermione, learning more of the Dark Arts, and eventualy go back to Hogwarts as the Defense of the Dark arts Teacher, and finaly becoming headmaster.

About Trelawny, you are right, she has been right in many ocations, not necesarily accurate, but right.

Carl from Birmingham,

Remember that "ly" means that can , wilst "ly" means that resemble .

Ken from LA CA USA EA(rth),

At the end of HBP Harry tells Ron and Hermione that he not be coming back to Hogwarts, that he go to the Dursly's for the last time and AFTERWARDS he go to Godric's Hollows. I do see it as relevant that he go there, where it all began, but do not think that there be a confrontation there.

Harry be forced to return to Hogwarts one way or another in order to find out what he needs, and destroy one of the horcruxes.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 29, 2007 4:50 PM

Ok, after reading many of your comments, I have been convinced that the Hallows do have grounds in ancient mythology, as Carlton from India on February 8 wrote:
“… according to ancient irish mythology...the irish had 4 hallows to protect their kingdom...they were

1. The Sword of Light - Gryffindor Sword
2. The Cauldron of Cure - Hufflepuff cup
3. The Stone of Destiny - Slytherin ring/locket
4. Pole of Combat - Ravenclaw wand
Or as Hervé from Strasbourg mentioned on January 31: “Old card games used Cups, Swords, Wands and Pentacles. They are related to four elements and cup was feminine.

Now, from what we know:
Cup = Hufflepuff
Sword = Gryffindor
Pentacle = Slytherin (it has something to do with Dark Arts, could be storaged as a stone in the locket)
Wand = Ravenclaw
And other people have mentioned Celtic Mythology and Arthurian lore in which similar types of objects are mentioned, these could in fact be the Hallows, relics from the founders that might prove useful to Harry, but I don’t think that all of them are Horcruxes, these would be:
Diary – Voldemort’s – previously in the Malfoy’s care - Destroyed
Ring – Slitherin/Marvolo – previously in Marvolo’s Shack - Destroyed
Locket – Slitherin – previously in the cave, then in 13 Grimaud Place now in Abeforth’s possession.
Cup – Huffelpuf – previously Hepsibah’s, probably in Borgin and Burks.
Tiara – Ravenclaw – The Room of Requirement at Hogwarts.
Nagini the Snake – with Voldemort.
We know that Griffindor’s sword was not taken by Voldy, and as some heve suggested, Nevile probably has Ravenclaws wand, which Harry might borrow at the last moment in order to avoid his wand malfunctioning by attacking its brother.

Posted by Emilio from Mexoco City, Mexico on March 29, 2007 5:19 PM

Emilio: I agree with you, but why did the wand become a tiara?

I still think that the cup, the sword, the wand and the stone were far away the most precious relics, because they were used by the founders to produce the greatest magics we can see at Hogwarts, including the Sorting Hat - which is kind of a soul of Hogwarts. That's why they were so significant to Voldemort. And they must be the Horcruxes, because I can't believe that, having failed once to get the sword, Voldemort would immediately stopped his quest and replace it by another object. We see in GoF and OotP that when Voldemort wants something, he won't get off his way until he has it. And for sure, getting Harry in the cemetery or retrieving the prophecy from the ministery were as difficult a task as attracting Dumbledore out of his office and replace the sword in his office by a fake one. And I also can't believe that Jo, loving harmony, would have built a story where the sword is eventually replaced by a snake, unless there is a strong message or symbol in that, and I can't find out one.

And once again, Gryffindor sword has incredible similarity with Sword of Nuada (the sword of light), as described in fantastic literature, and king Nuada has incredible similarity with Peter Pettigrew, with his silver hand.

Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 30, 2007 12:54 AM

Emilio,
I agree with your summary of relics except for one detail.
I don't think Neville has a Ravenclaw wand. Doesn't the book say he had a new wand made for him?

Posted by Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts on March 30, 2007 06:33 AM

Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts,

I don't have my books with me at the moment, but I think the wording was something along these lines "my gran got me a new wand, I think it was the last one sold by Olivander before he disappeared"

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I have never heard of Olivander making a wand for a specific person, remember, it is the wand that chooses the wizard...

I know Fleur Delacour does have a wand with the core of a hear of her Veela grandmother, but it is not one of Olivander's.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 30, 2007 12:18 PM

Hervé from Strasbourg,

I agree with your analysis on Voldemort and his need for the relics from the founders, but as there are very few known relics, he must have been eager to get his hands on those which he new about. We know that usually wands are broken or buried alongside their owners. Mayby Olivander is a descendent from Rowena Ravenclaw and has inherited the wand that others thought had been buried alongside her.

To my knowledge, there is no mention of the founders using specific objects to perform their magic, although the wands are quite obvious. The cup, the sword, the wand and the stone might be their most precious relics but, as far as we know, and according to Dumbledore, Voldemort never acquired the sword, did take the locket (where you suggest is the stone or pentacle) and the cup. Dumbledore’s assumption is that Voldy had gotten something else from either Huffelpuf or Ravenclaw, but we cannot be certain that it was the wand; I am much more inclined by the tiara (which I believe it was Ravenclaw’s), thus keeping two of the relics on Harry’s side, the wand and the sword. This would make them even, this does go with Jo’s harmony.

Dumbledore tells Harry that he thinks Nagini is a horcrux because of the amount of control he has over her, and Harry’s perspective when she attacked Mr. Weasly in the ministry, Albus also tells him that it was probably not his first choice, but was forced to make her the last of his horcruxes for some reason I cannot recall. Remember that Voldy wanted a 7 part soul, thus six horcruxes plus the piece in his body.

At the time when he made his last horcrux he was still unawares that the diary had been destroyed by Harry, so it is possible that he thought it would be easier to come back to a new body if he had all his horcruxes.

I cannot speak about the Sword of Nuada as I don’t know the story.

Posted by Emilio from Mexico City, Mexico on March 30, 2007 12:49 PM

it can't be godrics hollow because the title is the ly hallows and godrics hollow is spelled differently.

Posted by alina on March 31, 2007 1:49 PM

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