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I thought, when Lily and James d, the Fidelus Charm was broken.

Posted by Dee from Sourhtern USA on March 1, 2007 04:35 AM

I don't think the Fidelius Charm has been broken. The Fidelius Charm on 12, Grimmauld Place was most probably made by Sirius, with Dumbledore as a secret-keeper. Although Sirius d, Dumbledore didn't think that the Fidelius Charm was broken (he just wondered what would happen if Bellatrix inherited the house).

There are several cases in which Hagrid can find Harry without knowing the secret:
(1) Hagrid had a portkey to get inside the house; probably the invisibility cloak
(2) Harry was no longer in the house, but outside it
(3) Hagrid (and Sirius) didn't know anything about where the house was. Harry was placed in a ruin (or something that appeared like a ruin), and Hagrid found him there.

Of course, if the house was destroyed, we can also imagine that the Charm was broken with the house.

Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 1, 2007 10:28 AM

Thats what I thought too, so now Harry could take Ron and Hermione to Godric's Hollow with him. But most everyone here believes differently.

Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 1, 2007 11:49 AM

Ashley, Padfoot was never the Secret Keeper. He said he convinced the Potters to use Wormtail instead. Not even Dumbledore was aware of the change. JKR stated on her website that the only people who knew of the location of the Potters were people that Wormtail told directly.
Sirius went after Wormtail when he couldn't find him, and ended up at Godric's Hollow soon enough that he was there before Hagrid. Either Wormtail told him, or he knew some other way.

I think if Harry still lived the Fidelius Charm would not be broken.

Herve,
I know 12 Grimmauld Place was Unplottable, with access through Dumbledore, but was it also protected by the Fidelius Charm? So that would mean no one new could ever have access to Grimmauld Place now that he is , as the status of the secret remains as is, upon the of the Secret Keeper. Although I do remember that JKR said that wizards have a way of making their voice heard from beyond . (Sorry, I don't remember the exact quote.) Whether by portrait, or by prophecy, Dumbledore could possibly still give access.

Posted by Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts on March 2, 2007 10:29 AM

on her website jkr says she cannot reveal the meaning of 'ly hallows' as it give too much away. she also discusses secret keepers and says the secret still stands when people . Also how did the potter's house become ruins? Every other time we've seen the ing curse, people have just d, did voldemort set their house on fire? has it actually been stated the house was in ruins? maybe there were ruins near the house, afterall, hallows can be a saints shrine or ruin. what is the definition of a saint, appart from some one holy? maybe lily and james fit this definition, therefore making the 'ly hallows' the ' saints shrine/ruin' being the 'potter's house'.
a bit out there, but anyone else have any thoughts.

Posted by Anonymous on March 2, 2007 2:34 PM

Dave, I thought Dumbledore took the baby from the House in the Hollow and gave it to Hagrid for delivery. With what we know now I wonder why. He could have Apparated to the Aunt's house and back in minutes. Where did DD go and why was the unfolding of events placed on the hold that it took Hagrid to skybike to Privit Place? Who did DD have to talk to or do even though the Dark Lord had fallen?

Posted by ken from la ca usa ea(rth) on March 3, 2007 3:50 PM

Ken,

No Dumbledore sent Hagrid to the cottage to get Harry. When Hagrid arrives at Privet Drive with Harry on Nov 1st, at almost midnight, Dumbledore asks him and he says that he was able to get there and get Harry out before the Muggles started snooping around. Hagrid also tells Harry in SS/PS that the spell rebounding caused the house to be destroyed.

Another thing, McGonagall said that she had talked to Hagrid, and knew where Dumbledore would be going, but she did not know he was bringing Harry there also. So Hagrid talked to McGonnagal before she went to Privet Drive. And she was there at 8:30 am when Vernon left for work.

The Potters d on Oct 31, and Hagrid does not arrive until almost Midnight on Nov 1 with Harry.

One possible place that Dumbledore was during this time, was dealing with the aftermath of the whole thing with wormtail and the explosion that framed Sirius, and all that day.

But still I think what all happened during this odd sequence of events play a big part in the overall story.

Posted by karen from texas on March 4, 2007 11:00 PM

Thanks for the correction karen! Its obvious that I need to re-read the first six books and reveiw the other canon items like JKR's website's Wizard of the Month data. Last month we had the creator of the Memory Charms living about 1500 or so. That makes it much too late for the founders in their conflicts to have resolved said conflicts using memory charms.

To the bookshelf!

Yes in! The timeline of October 31st, 1981 are going to be the crux of the resolution of the remaining plot points brought up in the first six years at Hogwarts as created by JKR.

My early notes on what happened that evening in Godric's Hollow do not include the new data about Timeturners, invisibility, animagus forms being used to lay a trap for either side, Dumbledore and the Order of the Phoenix laying a trap for Voldemort using Harry as bait, and the possibility of Grindelwald and the Dark Lord being mearly the latest incarnation of some ancient evil.

Good Luck, Harry! Hope you live through it!

Posted by ken from la ca usa ea(rth) on March 5, 2007 10:25 AM

Anonymous, from March 2nd
I believe the damage to the house in Godric's Hollow and Harry's scar are the result of the AK curse being deflected from its intended target. Usually, as you say, there is no physical damage to the victim, or to his/her surroundings. But just as on the astronomy tower, spells that miss can do a lot of damage. JKR has said that Harry's scar is significant, although the shape of the scar itself is the least important part of it. I think its significance is the fact that it exists when the AK curse doesn't usually leave a scar.

I wonder if Sirius, Dumbledore, James and Lily somehow manifest in Godric's Hollow, as the ly Hallows when Harry needs them. He has to go there, to the site of his parents' . I am sort of surprised he has not wished to go there before now. I think, in this situation, the ly Hallows refer to souls who are significant to the person in need. Sirius' two-way mirror could be the conduit of communication for Harry.
Or maybe Dumbledore re-enchanted the Mirror of Erised to serve such a purpose, when he knew he would be facing danger and , so he could still communicate with Harry if the worst happened.

Posted by Patty from Quincy Massachusetts on March 5, 2007 5:27 PM

maybe is dumbledore one of the ly hollows?

Posted by Jord from groningen on March 13, 2007 08:52 AM

Ok, if the Potter's d on Oct 31 wouldn't Hallows mean Halloween? If it does then the final battle between Harry and Voldemort be were it all started. The Ruins of the Potter House.

Posted by Jordan from Kitchener on March 16, 2007 2:58 PM

Jordan, I think you are right about Halloween holding the key to the word Hallows. The word Halloween derives from All Hallows Eve, or All Souls Eve, so the souls or hallows in the title could refer to the souls who d at the Potters' Ruins. I like the symmetry of it ending where it all began.

Posted by Patty from Quincy MA on March 17, 2007 08:07 AM

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