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Foreshadowings in Prisoner of Azkaban
by David Haber
In an interview released around the time of the theatrical premiere of Prisoner of Azkaban, an interview which is also on the Prisoner of Azkaban DVD, J.K. Rowling said, "Alfonso Cuaron had very good intuition about what would and wouldn't work. He's put things in the film that, without knowing it, foreshadow things that are going to happen in the final two books."
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I think it was great for Lily to stand up for Snape like that but come on! Think about it Sirius was right. James was what, 15 there, how many of you guy stayed as immature as your were then!?!?!? also i think that Lily lash out so bady because she was trying to convice herself that she DIDNT like him. Its not like they got married then! Does she seem like the kind of hirl who would be easily forced into a marraige, if at all? No Lily in James were in love AND happy when they were married Im sure of it.
Posted by Bridget from Ireland on November 29, 2006 4:03 PM
I'm not saying that Lilly had feelings for snape, i'm just thinking there may be a connection. Look, we know that lilly and snape were at hogwards at the same time, we know they were both very good at potions, we know slughorn was a professor of lilly's because he had noticd her for her talent in making potions,so we can asume he must've noticed snape aswell. Now when snape was in school, he wrote the 'half-blood prince' book and when harry uses it, slughorn remarks that harry does some things exactly like his mother would have done or has infact done! This would mean that lilly would have known what was in the book. Am I totally wrong saying that there can be a connection?
Posted by Manon from Belgium on November 30, 2006 08:55 AM
Lets remember people.. That day Harry saw in the pensive was Snapes memory of events.. He and James hated eachother from the first time they saw eachother.... I'd bet if Harry could see his fathers memory of the same day it would be different...
Mistral, I'm not convinced Snape had a thing for Lilly... By the time he got to school, Snape was already imbittered by the treatment he got from his muggle father.. I can very easily see how attractive the views of Malfoy and his cronies would be..telling him that he was better than muggles,even than muggle borns would have given him a reason to despise them both... Narsesa Black on the other hand, would have been everything he could have wanted..but of course, he was socially awkward and Lucius was not....
think about it, who does Narsesa know risk everything at her request?
and Bridget, I resent the implication that at one time ALL men acted immature when we were younger... and I'm going to hlod my breath until you appologize......
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on November 30, 2006 10:12 AM
I am sorry Kevin, it is just that the guys in my life so far have all been immature at one point, but I have not met all the men in the world. I am sorry (I hope you can breath again):)
But that is an excellent ida with Snape having a thing for Narsesa Black. It makes total sense.
There is another thing I have notice from that convorsation in the begining of the 6th book. I recall Snape saying something about Harry not being talented and capable of great things. Now I am definatly not agreeing with Snape but he kind of has a SLIGHT piont. If you think back to all the things Harry has come up agiainst since he enter Hogwarts, he has defeated them with great bravery and courage but stop and also think of all the help he has had along the way.
>year 1. Hermione, Ron and his mother's protection beneath the trap door
>year 2. The sorting Hat and Fawlkes in the Chamber of Secrets
>year 3. Dumbledor/Hermione/timeturner to save Buckbeak and Sirius
>year 4. Moody/Barty Crouch Jr. gets Harry though each task with LOADS of hints and in the graveyard, the people that LV had ed delayed him to get back to Hogwarts in saftey
>year 5. The Order of the Pheniox AND Dumbledor's army(DA) (along with Dumbledor himself) in the Ministry
>year 6. A few former DA members and also member from the Order AND DUMBLEDOR! in the battle at the end
ok so I am NOT sayong that Harry is useless at all but now Harry wants to go off alone and defeat Voldemort and the remaining Horcurxes. I honestly think that if he does succed in leaving EVERYONE behind (which I think is highly UNLIKELY but still...) he not be able to do it alone. Even when Harry went with Dumblebor to get the Horcurx, there had to be two people to go. one could not have succeed. Well iI really hope that Harry be convinced of this or he is toast. (and i reeeeeeallly do NOT want him to !)
Posted by Bridget from Ireland on November 30, 2006 6:11 PM
Now you are challenging me...
So, I gave that Snape loved NARCISSA idea a thoroughly thought. Of course it could be a possibility! Although this theory has its �little flaws�! Being Hermion..ish I went to check Narcissa�s age.
1. They went to Hogwarts together and she was three years older than Snape
2. Lucius Malfoy is even four years older than Snape and was at that time also in Hogwarts.
I am not saying that Snape could not have loved a girl three years older than him. She would have been way above his standard and so far, we know her to be a real snob. (But she seems to be a very loving mother to Draco) The way I see it, a Half-Blood would have had no chance against the Pure-blood Lucius.
That day she went to Spinner�s End with her sister Bellatrix (hope Neville get�s her in the end) she showed signs that she loves her husband. I quote: -Don�t you dare- don�t you dare blame my husband!� said Narcissa, in a low and ly voice, looking up at her sister.
Lets be honest, Snape had no chance but to help her, especially with dear Bella in the room! It has also crossed my mind that the whole thing, could have been a trick to make Snape do the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa. Her tears seemed honest, but one never knows with women. He could have been set up.
If we believe that Snape loved Narcissa many of our theories are worthless. I still believe Dumbledore�s explanation to Harry, that Snape felt sorry because of the Prophecy, seem lame.
Come to think of it, there has been someone who loved Snape. We know that from an Interview Jo gave. Certainly Snape�s mother Eileen or the mysterious FLORENCE who was seen kissing a boy by Bertha Jorkins. For that Bertha was promptly being hexed by that unknown boy. So far we have not found out why that particular memory was in the Pensieve.
Sorry, if I zoned out a bit, but I thought that was important.
Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on December 1, 2006 05:51 AM
Just out of curiosity, how did you find out Lucious and Narcissa, let alone Snapes. We know that he is probubly the same age as James, Peter, Sirius, and Reamus but we aren't even positive of that.
I think that you have a good piont that Snape never even had a chance with Narcissa but it does not mean that he couldn't love her.
I also think that if Snape really wanted to then he could have gotten out of the Unforgiveable vow. Do you REALLY think that he could be defeated by the two sisters?
I am a little confused about the memory. How could Snape have been there if it was his mother how was cought kissing at Hogwarts? I am sorry to say this but I can not see how this would be too important seeing how Bertha Jorkins wasn't even in the fourth movie and that memory was never shown or mentioned.
Posted by Kate from Wisconsin on December 2, 2006 06:13 AM
Glad you asked how I�know� the ages of Lucius, Narcissa and Snape. The answer is simple; I got it from the HP Lexicon where even Jo goes and sneaks in at times, when she is writing in an internet caf�. She says so on her Website. I having the same zodiac sign as Hermione, always want everything verified before I comment on something. (But of course I stumble all the same.)
I don�t know if you have ever been to their website, it�s where you get all the Potter details like time-frames and so on. The founder of that Website Steve Vander Ark, calculated the approximately period the Harry Potter series plays, on the basis when Nearly Headless Nick, celebrated his 500th birthday in book 2! On Nearly Headless Nick�s birthday cake was an inscription saying:
SIR NICHOLAS de MIMSY-PORPINGTON DIED 31ST OCTOBER 1492
Now when you add 500 years, you get 1992. I believe on the second CD of CoS you find a timeline that was approved of by Jo. Why don�t you go and have a look at that fabulous site and you get all your answers concerning the age of most our characters.
Hmmm�.I never thought about Snape not making the Unbreakable Vow..good question..and of course I don�t believe one minute that Snape would have been defeated by the Sister�s. He is much too clever and up to every trick! But we can look at it two ways: if we are right with our speculation that Snape and Dumbledore were plotting something, he had no choice. On the other hand if Snape is evil, he would have made it more than ever. As he said so himself, there were some Eater�s who did not trust him. Making the UPV put him in a very excellent position. You saw how surprised Bellatrix was, when he agreed doing the UPV.
About the KISSIG Bertha Jorkins observed. Sorry if it was not clearly written. What I meant with that comment was that I had this crazy idea that maybe Bertha Jorkins saw SNAPE kissing that mysterious FLORENCE. Harry hears that memory in GoF Chapter Thirty the Pensieve. Sirius mentions that she went to school with them but was a couple of years above them. So you see, there is a possibility that it was Snape! I mentioned this because JO said in an interview that Snape had been loved once by someone! Yes, she is not in Goblet of Fire, but that is saying nothing. As we all know they left lots of stuff out!
Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on December 2, 2006 11:02 AM
That whole thing about hermione could be true because they never introduce her parents
Posted by Mark Twain from Seattle, WA on December 3, 2006 5:52 PM
Did you ever stop and consider the extra events related to the time turner? For instance, in the movie, Hermoine has to throw the rocks into the hut to get the trio to leave. Again, he added Hermoine saving Harry by making the werewolf call.. But more intriguing to me is the extended version of Dumbledore appearing to stall Fudge while Harry and Hermoine rescue Buckbeak. In the book, the only indication that he may be stalling is Dumbledore saying, "One moment, please, Macnair, You need to sign too." While in the movie, he says he thinks he should sign as well, and makes a point of saying he has a really long name.. And if I'm not mistaken he also distracts them once they've exited the hut, pointing their attention in the opposite direction, saying something about strawberries....
To me, this is an indication that Dumbledore somehow knows what Harry and Hermoine are doing... though, whether this is because he saw them (since he has a tendency to see the unseen) or he somehow has the ability to... I don't know, foresee the future or travel through time himself and warn himself in some way....
Either way, it was added to the movie, and I think it can foreshadow what or has already happened, because the quote does refer to the last two books.
Think about it like this, Dumbledore already *knows* something is going to happen, that's why he puts the immobolizing spell on Harry...
Posted by Anonymous on December 6, 2006 09:04 AM
I think that some of these theories seem to be a little off the wall, like the thing about Lupin being , and Hermione actually being an older witch. The one about Snape and Sirius could be true, and are very interesting.
Mark, they do actually introduce Hermione's parents. I think it was in like the second book or something (don't know for sure, read the books a while ago), Mr.and Mrs. Granger come Diagon Alley with Hermionie, and they have lunch with Mr. Weasley. Unless of course they were witches and wizards too, but that getting kind of out there.
Posted by Parker McMurphy from Cheyanne, Wyoming on December 6, 2006 10:02 AM
I'm not saying Narcissa EVER had feelings for Snape,
but I bet she knew how he felt...she may have even been the kind of woman who would use her charms to manipulate some one( i know its hard to believe, but I hear it has happened) into doing things like potions homework....
Lucius wouldn't be bothered because he feels supirior to every one any way..
Could be about this time that Snape starts adopting the Half Blood Prince title..
It would have been after Narcissa left school because Snape would have been in his 6th year...
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on December 6, 2006 10:49 AM
O.K. Snape love interests. How about Petunia. In OOTP, when Petunia slips about her knowledge of the dementors, she covers up by saying s omething like "I heard that nasty boy mention it to Lily" [sorry I'm going by memory so it's more of a paraphrase than an actual quote]. All other times she would refer to Harry's father as "that Potter" or such. So I think she was referring to another wizard... Snape.
I wonder if there is a reason that Petunia hates the wizarding world so much. It could be jealousy of Lily. But
it could also be that she was rejected by a wizard that she loved... Snape.
In book 7, Harry visit his aunt and uncle one more brief time then I'm sure they never want to see eachother again. Through Harry this be Aunt Petunia's last chance to reconcile with the wizarding world, with Lily. Then perhaps we'll find out more about Petunia's greater role in things.
Otherwise, I'm not sure what story lines the Petunia/Snape connection resolve. Any other thoughts on this?
Hermione old? Just read the mountain troll related chapters of SS, beginning with Ron making fun of her. Hermione behaved like an 11 year old [and not an adult trying to impersonate an 11 year old].
Posted by Mikey from New Jersey on December 6, 2006 8:49 PM
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