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Final Deathly Hallows Debates: Who Lives and Who Dies?
We know for sure that some characters are going to die in Deathly Hallows. Last year in an interview, J.K. Rowling said that two characters die who she had not originally thought would die in the end of the story. That means at least two characters die, but probably more. And that's probably not counting Harry and/or Voldemort. So who lives and who dies? Tell us who you think will die, and more importantly, why you think so.
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I think Snape is definitely going to . He's probaby going to do something very heroic in the end to save someone or something. Personally, I don't think Harry, Ron or Hermione , because she's debated about ing them off before and has decided against it. But, if this isn't true, I think the most likely candidate is Ron. He's not extremely essential, but is loved enough to still be a tragic loss.
Posted by Ben the Barbarian from Mos Eisley, Indiana on July 17, 2007 1:09 PM
I think the clue from PoA movie that JKR referred to was when Hermione hugged Ron after the hippogriff was "beheaded". She turned to Ron not to Harry. In the book, Ron & Hermione were not speaking most way through so the unexpected in the movie was the romantic possibility.
Posted by PKJ from Middle Tennessee, USA on July 17, 2007 1:32 PM
The trio live.
So Draco - and be redeemed somehow.
Snape - his loyalties seemingly back on the good side, but forever ambiguous.
Hagrid and McGonagall .
I think Neville , or else all live. No idea.
Mr. Weasley .
And Harry lose his magical ability, but live. He sacrifice magic to Voldemort.
Posted by JStar from Ohio on July 17, 2007 1:43 PM
I say this utmost respect. You totally missed the point of my post. I am not talking about the clue from the PoA movie that JKR was referring to, in otherwords Hermione hugging Ron. I knew from Book 1 that Ron and Hermione would get together. I know that was the clue she was talking about, and I agree with you that was the clue. However, I was responding to Michael C of Pasadena's post and asking for supporting evidence, which said the follow. (Please read this paragraph!)
"What I think happens, though, is that the Dementors suck out the soul of Voldemort and the horcrux part of Harry's Scar. I think the 'clue' that was accidentally put into PoA was at the lakeside where Harry and Sirius were being ed by the dementors--in that scene Harry has two souls being sucked out of him, one from the forehead, one from the mouth...this also would explain why the dementors were after Harry non-stop...they felt the presence of Voldemort in his scar. The dementors were made to Dark Wizards...now all Harry has to do is gain control of the dementors."
I challeneged this theory in my previous post, particularly the line "I think the 'clue' that was accidentally put into PoA was at the lakeside where Harry and Sirius were being ed by the dementors--in that scene Harry has two souls being sucked out of him, one from the forehead, one from the mouth..."
I read the chapters in the book, and I watched the DVD this afternoon, multiple times and in slow motion. AT NO POINT DOES HARRY'S SOUL COME OUT OF HIS BODY! Yes, there is a moment when two dementors attack him at once and you see two face-sucks going on. (Forgive me if that is considered a dirty word. I can think of a better term for what the dementors do in the movie.) However, it is not discernable that one is specifically coming from his forehead and one specifically from his mouth. It's just two face sucks in two different directions.
What is clear in that scene though, IS THAT SIRIUS'S SOUL LEAVES HIS BODY THROUGH HIS MOUTH! This is the little ball of light that comes out in a final exhale. This makes sense because often throughout literature and mythology, the life force is identified with breath or the wind.
So I would argue that this Michael C's theory (No offense to Michael C.) is bunk. Will I consider that Harry might be a horcrux? Yes. However, I don't think so. And here's why.
In all the things we read in Book 6, we hear that it is non-living objects that are horcruxes. (Though there is speculation that Voldemort's snake is a horcrux.) This makes good logic as why would want to store a part of your soul in something that could also ? That would be quite foolish. And Voldemort really isn't a fool. Sometimes blinded by his hunger for power, but definitely not a fool.
Ok, then the argument that in his transfer of power when he tried to Harry, he inadvertantly made Harry the horcrux because a part of him did transfer. I don't buy this either. I think a link between the two wizards was formed and a bit of Voldemort's power went to Harry, as evidenced by the Parseltongue ability, however, Harry is not a horcrux because the creation of a horcrux is a DELIBERATE spell and creative act. You have to say to yourself, "Hmm, I'm going to this person and use that act to turn this item that I've chosen into a horcrux." And you have to perform a SPELL. (HBP page 498, American Edition 4th paragraph.) Thus it's a ful act.
Voldemort would not have time to have done that if the Avada Kedavra did backfire and does as fast as JKR has written that it does.
Posted by Spider from Union City, NJ on July 17, 2007 2:12 PM
hermione. i am pretty sure she's going to .
Posted by michaela from berkeley, california on July 17, 2007 3:14 PM
I think that Wormtail sacrafice his life for Harry because he owes his life to Harry because in the third book Harry stopped Lupin and Black from ing him. Also I think that either Black or Dubledore are going to save Harry from ing but not in human form but something else because at the end of the fifth movie Luna Lovegood said that her mother said that the things that you have lost always come back to you in a strange way. Also I think that Neville is going to Bellatrix because of what she did to his parents and Sirius Black I also think that Ginny is going to trying to save a Weasley or Fleur.
Posted by Eiman from Aurora, Illinois on July 17, 2007 3:16 PM
Wow, Spider. Take a deep breath and hopefully this helps you understand what I wrote.
The scene I'm talking about was only in the movie, not in the text of the book itself. JKR herself said that when watching the movie that certain things were put in there by the director that seem to be intentional when Books 6 and 7 are released. There is a whole section on this "foreshadowing" found in another discussion on this site.
The scene in the movie, then, is when the dementors attack Harry and Sirius on the lakeside. The 'doublesuck' of Harry's face could easily be interpreted (if that's what JKR meant) as Harry having two souls within him--his own and another on his face. If you notice the way that the dementors suck on Harry's soul(s), one is sucking from the forehead and one from the mouth.
At no point does Harry's actual soul come out of his body--only Sirius' does. I don't know where you misread that in my previous point.
What does this mean? Well, if accurate, then it could be a 'foreshadowing' that Harry indeed has some of Voldemort's soul in his scar, and that perhaps it need to be sucked out just like the soul was sucked out of Sirius momentarily.
Does that make better sense for you? Calling my theory 'bunk' is rather laughable, since these are all just theories. There are PLENTY of "Harry's Scar is a Horcrux" theories out there...if that theory does indeed hold water, then this part of the movie might just be what JKR is referring to in her prior comments.
Posted by Michael C. from Pasadena, CA on July 17, 2007 3:30 PM
i think hermione is going to . she is important enough that we miss her but we dont know her and her family in depth like ron's so it wont be as harsh. Shes perfect to .
Posted by zentam from new jersy on July 17, 2007 3:58 PM
I think it end with Harry waking up from a dream, just a normal boy. Come on people, wizards aren't real. Maybe Harry be in a mental hospital, or maybe he's just gotten hit on the head. I dunno.
Posted by Ben from Westport, CT on July 17, 2007 4:14 PM
Sorry Spider--I didn't realize your intent. I agree totally with your analysis and argument about the horcrux debate. No way is any part of HP hold any part of Voldemort's soul. So I agree with you totally whole-heartedly, and disagree with Michael as well.
Posted by PKJ from Middle Tennessee, USA on July 17, 2007 4:16 PM
Listen everyone, cause your all thinking this book have a happy ending. JKR is ending the series for good, she doesn't want other authors ruining her idea by continuing the plot. Harry Potter is the last Horcrux and he sacrifices his life to stop Voldemort, simple. "One cannot live without the other" it means both must live, struggling to each other, or both must . Obviously Voldemort and Harry can't both live, so they both , saving the world, and ending the series forever.
P.S. Neville is totally going to help Harry in the end, its the best way to do it. The trio does not survive, it expands, encompassing more witches and wizards, but the Ron Harry Hermione trio s, sorry, it just does, no way around it.
Posted by Mark from Terrace BC on July 17, 2007 4:50 PM
Not a big deal, but you tagged -as at the end of the Dark Lord's name. With the extra letters the anagram wouldn't make sense. Thanks
Posted by Some Dumb Pats Fan from New England, Maine, Lewiston on July 17, 2007 5:21 PM
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