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Dumbledore's Horcrux
by Jan-Marie Spanard
How does a wizard learn about the existence and properties of Horcruxes? Who knows what they are, how to make them, what they can do? What wizard would make a Horcrux? Under what circumstances? And for what reasons? And why are they so evil? Hermione is working very hard to answer these questions. As Hogwarts virtual library search-engine, she is coming up empty. But Tom Riddle did it, somehow.
> Read the full articlePages: << < 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 > >> Reader Comments: (Page 28) What does Dumbledore really see in the mirror of erised? Posted by Victoria Cruz from Dallas, Tx on July 10, 2007 03:01 AM
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I don't think Dumbledore would really want a horcrux. The main reason he would make one would be to escape but, as shown several times in the books, he doesn't seem to fear . In Sorcerers/Philosophers Stone, he says that is the next great adventure- he does not sound like a person who would WANT to make a horcrux. He sounds like he is looking forward to . Also, by the way he talked about horcruxes he sounded like he hated them. He may have been hating the reasons or methods by which they are made but he did not seem very fond of horcruxes.
I also doubt that he would tell Hagrid a secret as big as a horcrux. As shown several times in the books, Hagrid cannot keep a secret too well. He accidentally gave away secret information about the sorcerers stone. The trio would not have uncovered the secret as easily if it weren't for Hagrid. Hagrid also isn't very good at hiding his emotions- if he knew Dumbledore had a horcux, he would know that Dumbledore was not completely . Therefore, he would not be as sad. He would probably feel proud of himself for keeping the secret and, in that pride, he would end up saying something suspicious relating to Dumbledore's horcrux.
I want to believe that Dumbledore is not and I am 75% sure that he is not. However I highly doubt he made a horcrux because it just doesn't seem to make sense. Posted by M.K. from Richmond, VA on July 11, 2007 07:30 AM
Monkeeshrines,
I think Binns did get some dialogue in Order of the Phoenix. I believe it was when an injured Hedwig landed outside the window during his class. Harry asked to be excused to go the restroom or something. Binns acknowledged him, but got his name wrong when he gave his permission to leave.
That's the only other bit of dialogue that I can recall at the moment. Following up with what Binns and McGonagall said, Dobby hinted at that, as well when he first met Harry(COS). Posted by Robbie from New Mexico on July 11, 2007 11:01 AM
Ok i got it. Dumbledore has a horcrux and do you know where it is? Faux, his phoenix. Dumbledore himself resembles a phoenix just what he does and how he uses fire. But if you think about faux is his allie his sidekick and faux never s so it is the ultimate horcrux. Posted by Dumbledorehimself from Colorado springs. CO on July 11, 2007 10:20 PM
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Something occurred to me yesterday when I read a comment that reminded us that in Albus' memory of Tom asking for a job, it seems to Harry that Tom was going to attack, but then instead he walked out the door. The comment suggested that this was a memory modification, and, after thinking about it for a day, I think it's possible. This brings up two possibilities: the first is that Tom modified Albus' memory; the second is that Albus modified his own memory.
We've already seen what a patchy memory modification looks like; it's very evident that tampering occurred. Horace is no amateur magic user. He had less than two minutes to make a house he's been in for only a few day look like it had been broken into, completely wrecked, he himself kidnapped or ed, probably while getting some clothes on in the meantime (remember he was taking a bath) and then quickly transfigure himself into an armchair - all silently so Albus couldn't hear it. That's no small feat. And he did quite a shoddy job of modifying a memory he would much rather forget. That means that if Albus' memory was indeed modified, it would need to have been done by an incredibly powerful wizard. It just so happens that the two most powerful wizards of the age were the only two present.
Why would Tom modify Albus' memory? Surly if had been as simple as an attack, Tom would not have minded that Albus remember. The only reason that I could think is that he either said something or did something he really did not want Albus to know about. A very good possibility is that he was able to, as he had at least twice before at this point, incapacitated Albus (could have been as simple as a freezing charm) and created a horcrux out of the hat or the sword, right in front of Albus, and then modified Albus' memory.
Why would Albus modify his own memory? That's a "curiouser" question. Was there something about that memory that he didn't want Harry to know, at least not yet? Was there some sort of occurrence that "shouldn't" have happened? Humor me a moment: Way back when Albus was a spry 100 years old (still had his auburn hair) he may not have had the mentality that he does now about , making it more plausible that he ed Grindelwald and made a horcrux with that (50 years is plenty of time for a man to change his position on anything, even ). Assuming he's unable to procure Merlin's left sock, Fawkes would be his natural choice for his horcrux. I noticed that Fawkes is not in this scene - explicit mention of his absence appears. That does not mean that Albus and Fawkes did not already have some sort of relationship, but it does mean that Fawkes was not readily available to take a hit for Albus should, say, Tom Riddle casually toss an Avada Kedavra his way. (I have this image of him just lazily swinging his wand and saying it in a bored sort of voice, but it works because he hates Albus so much. Yes, I know it wouldn't, but it's an amusing vision to me.)
So, after Tom AK’s Albus, Fawkes then comes flying in, cries up the piece of Albus' soul, and restores him with the soul piece and his healing tears. Whether Tom is in aunce or not... I'd imagine not; if he was he could just AK him again. The memory of Albus watching Tom leave is part of the fabrication, and Voldemort learned later that Albus was somehow still alive. What's more, even if Fawkes had been a horcrux, he's not now. A phoenix horcrux may not be able to be destroyed, but it certainly can be "used up" in its function as such. This would mean that Albus' scene was either completely true - as in irreversible - or completely fabricated - as in he didn't . Albus may have wanted, like Horace, to forget this encounter ever happened, or possibly have modified his memory for Harry's sake. I recall "Moody" saying the only known person to have survived AK was Harry, but it's entirely possible that someone else survived and no one knew, just as Sirius was the only known person to escape Azkaban, but really someone else had already.
On a separate, but related theory: If the above memory modification idea is possible (even if the rest isn't), then why limit the theory to one scene. For this, it is important to note that the chapter "Spinner's End" is in Narcissa’s point of view. The reason I have been trying to figure out the reason for the mention of Severus' hand twitch is mainly because I don't buy the "on-purpose splinching" theory really for only one reason: splinching requires Aparation, Aparation requires spinning. Even Albus spins when he Aparates, and we have seen this as early as Chapter One, Philosopher's Stone where he spins on his heel before he vanishes. So, if Severus had splinched his hand to break the bind of the Unbreakable Vow, Narcissa and Bellatrix would have seen him spinning, or twisting away at least - very conspicuous, wouldn't you say? But, if instead of a splinch (or an "opposing magnet" effect) he had "clarified" what he was vowing to, or even started a new vow, then modified Narcissa's and Bellatrix's memories, that could account for a sudden slight position change of his hand. Perhaps that's why Bella looked so shocked. We wouldn't have seen it because, for all intents and purposes, Narcissa didn't see it. If Severus didn't actually Albus on that tower, perhaps this is why he didn't himself.
Oh, and you're right, Robbie. Thanks for the correction! Posted by Monkeeshrines from orlando fl on July 12, 2007 10:57 PM
Monkeeshrines,
Interesting idea with the memory modification. Now that you brought it up, there does seem to be something "fishy" with that scene in Dumbledore's office. I don't think that Voldemort did the modification, but it is possible that Albus did it to himself. My guess (if Albus did it) is that he (Albus) did not want Harry to see something yet, if at all. Either way, an interesting idea! Posted by Robbie from New Mexico on July 13, 2007 7:18 PM
Dumbledore is very, very old and has lived for it seems ever. Maybe he can't due to his Horcrux! Posted by Steven -Lupin- from jacksonville florida on July 13, 2007 11:21 PM
Maybe, just a theory, but I like it, Dumbledore become a ghost, or at least Sirius. From what happened to Moaning Myrtle the descriptions of Dumbledore and Sirius fit that they be ghosts. If Dumbledore has a horcrux I think it be a phoenix or the dragon on the ly Hallow cover. Posted by Lexi from Hudson, Ohio on July 15, 2007 02:46 AM
Dumbledore isn't "that" old really. Remember the examiner's remarks about how impressive he (Albus) was during his OWLs (Order of the Phoenix)? That would mean that the examiners would have to be quite a bit older than Albus. Posted by Robbie from New Mexico on July 15, 2007 12:11 PM
I don't think Dumbledore would create a horcux. In the last chapter of the Sixth book it says that the tomb caught on fire and a phoenix could be seen flying away. I think that Dumbledore is a phoenix animagus. Posted by Popcornguy from Houston, TX on July 15, 2007 1:48 PM
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I think Fawkes IS in the scene where Voldemort asks for the DADA job...p412 HBP "And Harry dived after Dumbledore through the shifing silver mass, landing in the very office he had just left. There was Fawkes, slumbering happily on his perch..."
Are you saying that if a memory modification occurred it would be to hide something that happened at the end of the interview?...the scene flows seamlessly to that point...the only odd bit is Voldemort's hand seeming to twitch towards his pocket and his wand (p417)...Is this the bit of the memory you are suggesting has been tampered with? (and by the use of the word twitch that Snape was doing the same thing during the unbreakable vow?)
To me, the odd bit about the scene is the incongruity of Voldemort's request for the DADA job...he must have known that Dumbledore would never give it to him...it's his excuse for getting into the castle...what was his real motive for entering the castle? I always thought it was to hide something...but perhaps this is too obvious...or he could have retrieved something...maybe from the room of requirement?
The scene also sets up the fact that the DADA job is cursed...it's from this scene that we know that Dumbledore and Snape knew that Snape would be leaving at the end of the year...
And it sets up/strengthens the relationship between Dumbledore and Aberforth as barman of the Hog's Head. It kind of does enough without setting up memory modification as well...
There may have been a memory modification...but I don't think it would be of the creation of a horcrux from Dumbledore's and his subsequent resurrection with the help of Fawkes...goes against the elegance of the simplest explanation...too complex a way for a horcrux to get into Dumbledore's office...more plausible is that Voldemort hid something in the office perhaps...or took something...or perhaps he was just checking it out.
Also, if the memory was modified...it suggests that we be privvy to the unmodified memory at some time in the future, otherwise why include it? Unlikely that Harry would get it from Voldemort so the only way would be if Dumbledore has left the unmodified memory in a bottle for Harry to find....which he may have done I suppose.
I still don't think Dumbledore has ever created a horcrux...tho' I do think he sees his family (represented by socks) in the mirror of erised. Posted by Joe from England on July 16, 2007 3:34 PM
I still think Snape's twitching hand is a gut reaction to what he knows he have to do as a result of the unbreakable vow...sort of the emotional involuntary response over-ruled by the rational decision to go ahead. He doesn't flinch from the task ahead...evidence of the strength of his character. Not subtle memory modification...could he have done this without his wand anyway? Posted by Joe from England on July 16, 2007 3:51 PM
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