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Dumbledore's Horcrux

by Jan-Marie Spanard

How does a wizard learn about the existence and properties of Horcruxes? Who knows what they are, how to make them, what they can do? What wizard would make a Horcrux? Under what circumstances? And for what reasons? And why are they so evil? Hermione is working very hard to answer these questions. As Hogwarts virtual library search-engine, she is coming up empty. But Tom Riddle did it, somehow.

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In reference to the mention of Hagrid as the keeper of Dumbledor's secret about Fawkes, there's a great theory that arises from Book 3.

First, let me preface by saying, we all know Hagrid is not the best secret keeper. He's constantly "spilling the beans" to Harry, Ron, and Hermione about things that should be kept secret. So, this theory is a stretch, but we all know that Hagrid has the best of intentions. I think when it came to something as important as THIS, he would keep it very secret.

In Book 3, we hear mention of the Fidelius Charm. James Potter used this charm on Sirius to conceal his whereabouts. The Fidelius Charms works by, "concealment of a secret inside a single, living soul." It further states, "The information is hidden inside the chosen person, or Secret-Keeper, and is henceforth impossible to find - unless, of course, the Secret-Keeper chooses to divulge it." (PoA, page 205)

Just for further clues, it was none other than Dumbledore who suggested that James use the Fidelius Charm to protect himself. He even asked James to make HIM the Secret-Keeper.

It's apparent Dumbledore knows how the charm works, and again, what better way to know of the charm than to use it himself? We could assume Fawkes was around before James's days, and we know Hagrid was. Did Dumbledore reveal to Hagrid the secret of Fawkes even before Voldemort came to power?

And, furthermore, could Dumbledore have another Secret-Keeper? Someone who was withholding information about HIS ""? Of course, I'm talking about Severus Snape. And, even better yet, Aberforth Dumbledore. Who would think to ask a lowly barman about the greatest wizard alive?

And, if Hagrid, Snape, or Aberforth are holding secrets for Dumbledore, we know that information can't be discovered unless they choice to reveal it. If Voldemort, or even Harry, wanted to know if Dumbledore had a horcrux, they couldn't find out (even by researching), unless Hagrid told them. Same goes for any secrets Snape or Aberforth are holding.

But, if Dumbledore IS , does that break the Fidelius Charm? I would think so, since it's a charm held by the person with the secret, not the Secret-Keeper.

Posted by Jon from Fayetteville, AR on July 5, 2007 4:56 PM

I also think that Snape is on the 'good' side, in six he says at the end "...until you learn to keep your mouth shut and mind closed..." it seems like he is still teaching Potter when he is fleeing from the scene. Telling him the only way you Voldermort is Occlumency and slilent spells.
On the Horcrux subject I do believe that Dumbledore has a horcrux. It makes perfect logical sense and would be a nice little twist in seven. Imagine if Harry doesn't find out and Dumbledore walks in just a he has finish Voldemort off. Wouldn't that be a nice little ending.

Posted by Slim from Ottawa on July 5, 2007 7:08 PM

i would like to bring up something i found while looking back through the books which i found interesting. i think profesor Binns might have said something important.

in the 2nd book when hermione asks him about the chamber, one of the only interesting discussions ever discussed in history of magic ensues. while they are arguing about it and say that you'd probubly have to use dark magic to open it, binns responds with "just because a wizard doesn't use Dark Magic, doesn't mean he can't... i repeat, if the likes of Dumbledore--" (chamber of secrets ch. 9)

he is basicaly insinuating that Dumbledore could use dark magic if he wanted/needed to, and the argument that dark magic is needed to do something doesn't necesarily mean that dumbledore can't/won't do it. i still don't think that dumbledore has a horcrux because he is not afraid of and that would make him too much like the Dark Lord, but i think that there may be something of value here.

Posted by Raven on July 6, 2007 10:02 AM

I just read somewhere that Percival, which is one of Dumbledore's middle names, means "PIERCE THE VEIL!" I don't think Dumbledore made a Horcrux for the basic reasons that everyone has said, and I do believe that he is really because Draco seemed to have a time limit of that school year, which means that Snape would too and Snape's still alive. If Luna Lovegood is to be believed (this time) the other side of the veil is where people are (Nearly Headless Nick also said that they stud in the Department of Mysteries and the room where the veil was was called the Chamber so it's a pretty good guess). If one of Dumbledore's names means pierce the veil, maybe he figure out a way to come back without the most evil magic in existance.

Posted by anonymous on July 6, 2007 2:40 PM

Raven,
Good point about Binns! You know, I've always wondered why Binns seemed to have dialogue in every book. (I think, feel free to correct me.) Except for what you pointed out, everything he has talked about has been about goblin wars. Also, do we know exactly how long Binns has been there? If Dumbldore used Grindlewald for it, that was a long time before Harry and crew. Binn's was most likely there at that time.

Posted by Robbie from New Mexico on July 6, 2007 8:06 PM

I've just been skipping through OotP, and i stumbled upon this page. There is one part in which someone mentions that Dumbledore didnt care what they did to him (or something along those lines) as long as they didnt take him off of the chocolate frog cards. I thought, after reading this article, if Dumbledore had made a Horcrux, and indeed it was from the ing of that evil wizard mentioned on the card, could the chocolate cards in some way be related to a horcrux of his? It seems a bit loose, seeing as how they would have obvioulsy made more than one card, but i thought the card lined up well as a possibility in some way, Dumbledore's request for not taking him off there (while it wasn't a very serious comment) and the fact that the information on the card was about his defeat of an evil wizard, who has not been mentioned in Azkaban, seemed it fit quite well.

Not to say im a full supporter of him using a Horcrux, but it just popped to mind.

Posted by Craig from Newcastle,UK on July 8, 2007 3:07 PM

If Dumbledore made a Horcrux, why does his portrait appear in the Headmaster's office?
Is it because he did not make a Horcrux and is, in fact, ?
Or has he permanently resigned the position, and so could possibly still be alive? ( not being a requirement for having a portrait)
If he is alive, via a Horcrux, then I agree with the article that Hagrid would know of it. He does not accept that Dumbledore is when Harry tells him until he sees the body, although this could be attributed to denial that anyone could the powerful Dumbledore.
If Dumbledore is alive, and the object carried by Hagrid to the was not his body, then why didn't Snape when he failed to fulfill the Unbreakable Vow?
If Snape really did Dumbledore, how the spirit be put back into his body? In a similar manner to Voldemort's return in the graveyard scene? Who is Dumbledore's enemy to provide one of the ingrents? Or was that method a spell invented by Voldemort, and Dumbledore could have come up with something completely different.

I don't believe that Dumbledore would have had the arrogance and pride to make a Horcrux. He knew that Voldemort would choose his own equal, his own downfall, and Dumbledore himself would play a supporting role.
Grindelwald's downfall and possible was long before Voldemort's obvious tyranny, so Dumbledore would have had to know very early on that a Horcrux would be necessary, or use the damage to his soul years after the fact. I think that after so much time had passed, Dumbledore would have reconciled to the necessity of Grindelwald's , and his soul might not have been torn to the extent necessary to make a horcrux.
Dumbledore had inside info from Snape's spying as to what plans Voldemort might be making to defeat Harry, so I think he planned to use his to provide some manner of protection to Harry to foil Voldemort in some unforeseen way. Playing at Voldemort's game means you let Voldemort set the rules. Dumbledore was wiser than that.

Posted by Patty from Quincy MA on July 8, 2007 4:02 PM

I find it hard to believe that Dumbledore would want to create a horcrux. It seems contrary to his nature. Recall Slughorn's comment to Tom Riddle (HBP p. 499) about horcruxes being a banned subject at Hogwarts and that Dumbledore was "...particulary fierce about it." Earlier Slughorn describes it to Tom as "...very Dark stuff, very Dark indeed."

Dumbledore undoubtedly know about Dark Arts like Horcruxes but would never use this kind of magic because as McGonagall says he's too noble.

Posted by Ellen from Pasadena CA on July 8, 2007 4:50 PM

The act of creating a Horcrux not only requires a , but is in itself one of the most evil acts possible. This is stated repeatedly by Dumbledore. It tears the soul apart. Do you really believe that Dumbledore is capable of an act that evil?

I for one do not, and I state now that Dumbledore has never and never make a Horcrux.

Posted by Connor K from Rigby, ID on July 8, 2007 7:45 PM

Just perhaps Dumbledore did something similar to, but a little more ethical than, creating a Horcrux - perhaps he found a way to transfer his own powers to Harry for Harry's protection. Perhaps this required Dumbledore's ing , which is why he convinced Snape to perform the sacrifice. So Dumbledore is properly , but his abilities live on in Harry - which Harry, quite frankly, could really use, given his lack of focus on his stus at Hogwarts the past six years.

Of course, I also subscribe to the theory that Harry is a Voldemort Horcrux, so it must be getting a little crowded in there!

Posted by Jerry from Charlottesville, VA on July 9, 2007 10:16 AM

perhaps the scene of dumbledore's was dumbledore being brought back to life and hagrid was carrying Fawkes. This scene appears to be similar to when Voldemort is brought back to life. Harry sees a phoenix in the flames and this could be Fawkes being used to reincarnate Dumbledore, or maybe it is Dumbledore transformed into a phoenix because that is the form he takes when he is an animagus?

Posted by Sam from High Wycombe on July 9, 2007 11:50 AM

Robbie - The only book in which I remember Binns getting dialogue is Chamber of Secrets, but he is mentioned in every book, a courtesy Jo does not seem to extend to Sinestra or Vector.

I agree with Raven in that what he says is significant - just because Albus doesn’t, doesn’t mean he can’t. This echoes what Minerva said in Chapter 1 of Philosopher’s Stone, that Voldemort has powers Albus doesn’t, only because Albus is too noble to use them.

Posted by Monkeeshrines from orlando fl on July 9, 2007 9:05 PM

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