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Dumbledore Is Not !

by David Haber

Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.

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I think it is possible that dumbledore has a horcrux. and I think hagrid has it. In the first book he was quoted as saying (I would trust hagrid with my life). If this is'nt it I would be shocked. I liked the other comment on snape saying one curse but thinking another! It makes to much sense, the fight where harry uses his 1st curse he is told he really has to mean it. also moody said around the same when he showed the students in class. This site is still correct. she was saying he was to keep the suspense I belive.and shut people up. She has that ability. Keep this in mind-she can make as many changes as she wants till it gets sent out to be printed! p.s. I just hope she don't harry.

Posted by ham-mill from saline michigan on October 19, 2006 07:27 AM

Note to Heather: I reread the part you were talking about. I think I know what it means. Sometimes when you you have a little blood come out of you mouth of ears. It is a common thing but you could be on to someting. I think it probably happened when Snape said "Avada Kedavara". That doesn't mean Dumbledore is though. It could have been a nonverbal spell Snape did. Good thinking.

Posted by Mark on October 19, 2006 3:07 PM

One thing I don't think you had in here was how Dumbledore said in Book 1 how he trusts Hagrid with his life when Hagrid was delivering Harry to to the Dursleys. I found that kind of odd and I was reminded of it when Hagrid was the last person to actually see Dumbledore's body. It gives me the feeling that maybe Dumbledore's body wasn't actually at the .

Posted by Anonymous on October 19, 2006 3:17 PM

I do not believe DD is for one reason and one reason only, and that reason is:
When Snape did the ing Curse, DD flew off the tower. The ing Curse is suposed to you, and you just fall to the ground like a pile of rags.
The only way DD could have d is that when he hit the ground he broke all the bones in his body.
But seeing how JK never said anything about broken bones or whatever, I still believe that DD is alive.
I mean there could probably be some kind of charm to say BEFORE you actually say "Avada Kedavra", and it could somehow prevent the curse, but it is very unlikely.
Also, DD is, or was (for all of you DDs believers), the greatest wizard alive, he could have found a way...

Posted by Railey from Oklahoma on October 21, 2006 1:29 PM

Snape used an Avada Kedavra curse. There was a green flash, and it knocked Dumbledore back. This argument about the Avada Kedavra curse just knocking someone over is nonsense. Remember book 5? Sirius hit with a green flash and flying backwards? He d, and he didn't collapse. Cedric was hit with one too, but Harry didn't see how he "fell." He just opened his eyes and saw that Diggory was . Just admit it folks, Dumbledore is . I know it's hard to accept, and I'd like it if he were alive, but the simple and obvious truth, as stated by JK herself, is that Albus Dumbledore is DEAD!

Posted by Chris Faria from Provo, UT on October 22, 2006 11:18 AM

i reckon Jo needs dumbledore needs to be ** to finish his missions of finding the Horxcruxes, now he has discovered one, voldemort soon figure it out and change them... but not if dumbledore is ...

Posted by James from UK on October 22, 2006 5:56 PM

To Chris- Hi. Maybe we are all wrong and Snape is a Eater who follows Voldermort. Maybe not. Dumbledore may be , he may be alive. We never said for sure, he is alive. I don't plan on doing so until after I read book seven. I may say the exact opposite then. So maybe JK said he is . She has shown she likes changing her mind. She said the other day she thought about in the shower of a new title possibly. Who's to say she didn't change her mind about Dumbledore? There are only two people who know for sure, Dumbledore and JK.

Posted by Mark H on October 22, 2006 6:03 PM

Chris, nobody is doubting that JKR wants us to think DD is . The question is, does JKR want us to think he's b/c the story would be ruined otherwise, or does she really want us to move on? I think JKR is telling us DD is because we need to be surprised when he comes back. Look, no author wants their story ruined, especially not when the end is so climactic.

If JKR really wanted us to KNOW DD was , she wouldn't have left us so many signs otherwise. I can give dozens of signs, but I'll just name a few--

All potions made or shown in the Hogwart's potion class are used in the plot, in some fashion. Name is, it has been used. The draught of living has shown up TWICE, and has yet to be used or even mentioned in the books outside of class. The draught of living may indeed someone, but leave them in a state of stasus for later revival. Link this idea to what DD says before Snape appears on the tower- DD says that LV cannot you (Draco) if you are already . DD could have been hinting that Draco take the draught, and then wait to be revived when LV s...

How about the white phoenix Harry thinks he sees at DD's ? That seems to be a hint that DD (since he had a TON of white hair, thus he may be a white feathered phoenix as an animagus) is still alive.

Or think about how the AK curse only works if the spell caster really wants to and inflict pain on the target. Would Snape really want to do that to his friend? Don't even dare think Snape isn't on the good side, it is obvious and sooooo easy to prove he is good. The fact is, if Snape knew DD would for good, he never would have said the AK curse. Snape is a proud man, and I believe would have ed himself (by breaking the Unbreakable Vow), before he would have ed DD.

I think DD knew what the potion was, and I believe that the potion was the draught of living . Thus, if DD could counter the sleep effect of the drink, say by using a counter potion, he could wait to allow the draught to impact him until he was on the tower. On the tower DD was dropping further down, as if he was going to fall asleep. Thus, when he fell to the floor and said "Please Snape" he could have allowed the draught to take full effect, as Snape uttered the words -AK. Thus, the draught would allow DD to , BEFORE the AK curse hit him. Which, since DD was already , would simply blast him off the tower... DD hitting the ground and breaking his bones is not a big worry, especially since those could be mended. I think that he left his grave at the , as a white phoenix...

Anyone think this theory fits? It really seems to work for me. If JKR didn't want us to think DD was alive, why would she leave so many clues? It isn't fair to the reader. I really do think that DD is alive, and that JKR is just trying to surprise us in the 7th book. Sorry JKR, I'm not gonna be surprised when DD comes back, I know he's still alive....

Posted by Brett J. from Boulder, CO on October 22, 2006 6:17 PM

Concerning the blood from DD mouth:
Didn't Moody say when he was starting the lesson that the entire class could you an unforgivable curse against him and he wouldn't even get a nose bleed since they (students) would really have to mean it. It (could) appears that the blood might have been just that - Snape didn't mean the curse and it just sort of hit DD.

Posted by Michael from Philadelphia, PA on October 23, 2006 06:04 AM

This is a great site, and some very interesting possibilities are posed. My idea is that there is SO MUCH left to do that Harry and his circle of friends simply cannot get it all done in just one more book; either the author have to write (several) more, or just like Gandalf the Grey, Albus return just in time to help finish this greatest story of our times. Good sleuthing, one & all! Whatta story!

Posted by St.Louis from La Center, WA on October 23, 2006 08:14 AM

When the students attempt to make the Draught of the Living in Chapter 9, Harry's potion, which is closest to what the Draught of the Living is supossed to be, is a pale pink. The liquid inside the goblet (chapter 26) is emerald green.

Posted by Kelsey Cvach from Scottsdale, Arizona on October 24, 2006 10:40 AM

People have posted that Dumbledore's Patronus is a Phoenix. I don't remember a time when we see Dumbledore's Patronus. Could someone find that passage and post it?

Posted by alex from Illinois on October 25, 2006 3:16 PM

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