Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
> Read the full articlePages: << < 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 > >> Reader Comments: (Page 44) I dont know but Dumbledore might be really and when he was about to be "Avada Kedavra"ed by Prof: Snape, he pleaded...why not this is some real pleading thinking that Snape actually was a bad guy...and from that shock he just couldnt save himself....Dumbledore might have had huge plans but when he saw that his trusted Snape betraying him.... just like in Pirates of carribean where the black pearl and dutchman both attacked Lord Bekcett, he just didnt fight back (this theory might be really dumb)...well after all the title for a whole book being half blood prince emphasizing this Snape character...so cant really under estimate him...he might be just too goood....well no offence to dumbledore fans.... Posted by chris from christchurch on July 16, 2007 03:49 AM
I mean really...JK must be thinking of something really twisted in her last book...dumbledore coming back...hmm nah, not that intersting...the author always surprised the readers with something they never expected...Dumbledore coming back to life full of energy and taking the whole scene himself and helping harry to get rid of voldemort all seems pretty "not so complicated", which is highly unlikely. But I might be very very wrong. Posted by chris from christchurch on July 16, 2007 04:30 AM
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I would like to present a hypothetical solution to the "Dumbledore mystery". It is, I think, in agreement with all known facts, and explains why Dumbledore is not .
Recall that in the first book, on the first Potions lesson, Snape states that there are Potions that can "stopper ".
The meaning of this strange verb can only be (as is judged correctly in the FAQ on this site) as "to contain ". Yet, in the FAQ this is interpreted further, in my opinion incorrectly limiting it to only mean of "to contain a ly substance" -- a poison.
I think that the phrase "to stopper " could also logically be interpreted alternatively as: "to contain as a process" -- in other words, to stop the ending of a life. Perhaps this "containment" is temporary or conditional.
I have another argument for this interpretation -- poisons are common in the wizarding world and therefore Snape would not speak of them with such emphasis. But I think that the interpretation is also more logical. Why should we interpret "" as a "ly substance" instead of a process? Clearly not all kinds of are caused by ly substances.
Recall that Dumbledore drank a potion, when he was attacked. I do not suppose that this potion had been prepared by Voldemort. After all, the Horcrux had already been removed by someone; that someone is probably Snape. And then the potion in the cave was replaced by a potion that stops , by Snape.
This also explains why Dumbledore offers Draco a protection by faking (in the American edition). Snape probably had to cast a real Avada Kedavra curse, because of his Unbreakable Vow. He could make this Vow safely, because even then, he had planned with Dumbledore that he would " him".
This hypothesis also explains why Dumbledore ignored all of Harry's warnings. He had chosen to stage this event and did all he could to prevent Harry from stopping it. Harry had given Dumbledore more than enough information to guess and prevent the plot -- the only reason why he did not do this was that he did not want to. And the only reason for that was his staged .
Snape's argument with Dumbledore could relate to Snape's reluctance to act -- he may have finally chosen to let Draco "" Dumbledore. Recall that his Vow allows this; he swore to act only if Draco failed. Draco could be made to act by a threat to his family. This would be safe only if Dumbledore would indeed be protected from by the potion. And Snape would then not have to pretend that he was a Eater, and could remain with the Order of the Phoenix.
Finally, the Author herself has confirmed my hypothesis by so vehemently opposing the opinion that Dumbledore is still alive. She had to say so, because otherwhise the readers would not feel the loss that she had planned them to feel after reading Book 6.
Please, if anyone wishes to debate this point, write to me with the subject of "Dumbledore's ". We shall soon know if I am right; I would be interested to hear of other potential solutions to the mystery beforehand. Posted by Adam Wierzbic from Warsaw, Poland on July 16, 2007 1:33 PM
i think dumbledore is not but jo says he is. Posted by chris kane on July 16, 2007 2:06 PM
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New Theory:
Just been reading HBP (trying to time it perfectly withthe release of DH!) and i got to thinking about Dumbledores and the (fake) Horcrux. Now it is well documented here the suspicious circumstances surrounding snape ing Albus, his eyes were open, he seemed to elevate and "float" before falling and with snape being proficient in wordless magic and so on and so fourth it goes. What about the horcrux? we know the last time Albus tried to destroy a part of Voldemorts soul it nearly ed him and took a bit of his hand. And when Harry went to sit next to him after the embarrising display against Snape, he found the horcrux lying OUT of Dumbledores pocket (and we know he likes to leave clues for Harry and co...) and Harry says it is neither as big as he remembers it being in the stone basin or had any mark of slytherin.... Hmmm.
So here is my conclusion: Snape did not perform the AvadaKedavra curse on Dumbledore, despite the facct he said the words, he created a destraction and blew Albus into the air, Dumbledore used this opportunity to Destroy the Horcrux and sacrificing himself in the process (he does say to harry that his life is not nearly as important as his a few times in HBP) Posted by Ivor from Edinbrgh on July 17, 2007 06:59 AM
I was thinking of what harry's eyes being like lilly's eyes would have to do with the ly hallows. I thought that maybe lilly's eyes had something to do with voldemort losing his powers and i thought that maybe since harry's eyes are just like his moms maybe they would have a role in ing voldemort... i dont know if this is very likely but it does have its possibilities Posted by Anonymous on July 17, 2007 3:40 PM
I don't know if anyone said this before but there is something that Dumbledore said to Malfoy in book 6 that seems pretty important: "We decided to put the dark mark over the tower and get you to hurry up here, to see who'd been ed," said Malfoy. "And it worked!" "Well... yes and no..." said Dumbledore. (HBP ch.27 p.551(uk)) Why does Dumbledore say "yes and no" since he did hurry up to the tower? Posted by Felix from Paris on July 17, 2007 4:09 PM
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A couple of clues to whether Dumbledore is really or not have been stated in many posts but not tied together. Several times in the series there has been a referance to The Draught Of Living . It is definately a potion. Dumbledore states in the cave that Voldemort would not want to immediately the person that was able to get to the horcrux in the cave. How do you preserve a thief? Put them to sleep (or in a state of fake ). Dumbledore was getting tired as he was returning to Hogwarts (his speech was groggy). Dumbledore was seeking Snape for an antidote before the potion took full effect, not medical treatment. The potion continues to make him sleepier (closer to living ).
The next time we see Dumbledore he is a portrait, asleep. If a wizard was ed and was suddenly put into a portrat wouldn't they be wide awake and questioning how it happened? I certainly would be asking questions at top speed to the other live people in my former office. Dumbledore is not just asleep, but under the influence of the Draught of living . He is "", so JKR can say that he is. He can also be revived by the correct antidote, and that is why he is encased in the stone tomb. To keep him away from prying eyes until the effects of the potion wear off enough to administer the antidote. That is why Dumbledore is "complicated" in the last book. Posted by David Porter from New Mexico, USA on July 17, 2007 4:41 PM
so i just reread OOTP and i actually think dumbledore is , harry said that he needed to do things on his own and thats how dumbledore wants it. i think dumbledore kinda knew what was goin gto happen, i mean harry couldnt face voldemort with 6 peopel helping him he has to do it on his own. although i do hope that somehow dumbledore come back to life. Posted by Christina from Connecticut on July 17, 2007 7:48 PM
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Aside from all the points made in the Dumbledore is not section of this site (which are all extremly good by the way) I have a few other theories I haven't heard mentioned
1. Unlikely, but it may be possible that Dumbledore has made his own horocrux; I believe in the 1st book while looking at the chocolate frog card it tells us that he has ed some dark wizard; he could of used this to make his horocrux.
2.A quote from p568 Australian version; 'Dumbledores eyes were closed; but for the strange angle of his arms and legs, he might of been sleeping'- a clue thats telling us he may just be faking .
3.The various play on words in the conversation with Dumbledore on top of the Astronomy tower; although I think this is mentioned already, but it is worth bringing up such quotes as 'For the first time dumbledore was pleading'- this is 2 sided; he could be pleading either way; for Snape not to him as JK wants us to think, or to carry on the plan Hagrid overheard them discussing earlier in the book
4. When Dumbledore realized that it was just Draco coming through the door of the tower, why would he have not unfrozen Harry? Harry was invisible to Draco, and behind him, and would have no trouble stunning him, summoning Dumbledores want and continuing on. Posted by Jeff on July 18, 2007 04:19 AM
Trelawny has been predicting "bad things" to happen at the Lightnng-struck tower, but says Dumbledore only ignore her... This happens right before Harry goes into dumbledore's office to go and find the horcrux locket... Right after Trelawny gets thrown out of the room of req. Posted by Alex from Florida on July 18, 2007 07:56 AM
Of course Dumbledore isn't . He's 'buried' in a white tomb, like Jesus Christ, and Christ 'respawned'. That's a sign to me that Dumbledore'll 'return' Posted by Mark Dumanon from Zuid-Holland, Netherlands on July 18, 2007 09:50 AM
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