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Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
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I also think that maybe Dumbledore has a horcrux and if he does it might be the Gryffindor sword. And it is very odd that Fawkes just fanishes. I just hope Dumbledore isn't really .
Posted by Rebekah from Rolla, MO on June 17, 2007 11:11 AM
In my opinion, Snape ed Dumbledore on Dumbledore's own orders to protect Harry from Voldemort. I don't think Snape is a Eater, I just think he just is 'biding his time' like Voldemort did in the Forbidden Forest, until the time is right to reveal himself and defeat Voldemort. I also think that, in the end, Snape be partly responsible for Voldemort's downfall.
Posted by Helene Harrison from Newcastle on June 18, 2007 1:32 PM
okay.. ive read HP7 like 8 times (literally) and i think dumbledore d. (im pretty sure)
Posted by Charles from Sydney on June 18, 2007 10:10 PM
Jo uses foreshadowing in her books all the time. The scene where Dumbledore and Snape argue is clearly foreshadowing Dumbledore's . Why else would she waste the time of having Hagrid even mention it? I originally thought that Dumbledore was not , but because of what Jo said then he must be. There could not possibly be a plan where the permanent of Dumbledore could possibly be beneficial though, because he is more valuable then any person besides Harry he could would be trying to save, so Dumbledore must have made a way to come back from the . I do not believe this could be a Horcrux though, because that requires a splitting of ones soul, and though I have read the argument for it on this site, I do not believe Dumbledore would want to live with a split soul. His reemergence may have something to do with Fawkes but I am not sure. What I am sure of is that Dumbledore ordered Snape to him in order to fully prove to Voldemort that Snape is on his side. This gives the Order a great benefit when it comes to the final battle. The reason why Dumbledore did not tell anyone this is because if one of the Order were to be caught, Voldemort would be able to read their thoughts or torture it out of them. The complete element of surprise, when Dumbledore comes back from the to fight, and Snape switches sides, be the turning point that allows Harry to Voldemort, (or him and himself... who knows what Jo do)
Posted by Josh from West Chester, PA on June 20, 2007 09:54 AM
Josh, you hit the nail on the head - Harry is more valuable than Albus and must finish on his own; perhaps in order for Harry to finally realize that, Albus needed to . It was mentioned at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban that Harry was used to Albus pulling out a last minute solution to the messy problem they're in. He needed to learn that he cannot rely on others for his final task. And as far as Albus being more valuable than anyone else he would save with his , that may be, but what about all of them? With his one , perhaps he is saving many people, and his "value" would not be greater than the rest put together. But that's not all of it, I'm sure.
That's the mark of a good storyteller and philosopher - that the ultimate plan is not immediately recognizable. Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it's not possible for there to be one. Jo may not even have given any hints toward it yet, which would make it impossible to guess. She's given us enough so that we think we know what's going to happen, but I don't think any of us, or at least anyone I have seen, correctly guessed what was going to happen in any of the previous books before we read them, and only found the clues after we knew what was going to happen. Maybe we got a couple pieces, but the big plotline has always been hidden. The actual permanent of Albus is part of that plan. No idea how; I'm getting antsy with the wait, though!
Posted by Monkeeshrines from orlando fl on June 21, 2007 07:09 AM
I agree with Josh, as in dumbledore is alive, or from giving snape the orders to him. If , this could be beneficial in the fact that voldemort see snape as the most faithful, possibly becoming a help to voldemorts downfall, that is if snape helps harry. Also, dumbledore was weak as it was, but by , could've given harry the proper motivation to seek and destroy the horcruxes and voldemort.
On the other hand, I think that the dragon with the white beard on the cover of the special edition for book 7 is dumbledore alive, as an animagus, or dumbledore's horcrux, but that is unlikely. Though don't forget that snape made the unbreakable vow in the beginning of book 6, which made him have to carry out malfoys job if he failed, which snape did.
Also, when dumbledore and snape were argueing in hagrids hut, this could not have been about ing dumbledore or faking his , because dumbledore was out trying to destroy a horcrux with harry, and most likely didnt know what malfoy and the other eaters were planning to do. This leads me to believe that dumbledore may have actually been ed, possibly leading up to the fact that the dragon on the special edition cover of book 7 is dumbledore's horcrux. Though knowing what JKR is capable of, snape could've lied during the unbreakable vow with narcissa malfoy, and dumbledore could've known about malfoys plan (though he most likely would've stayed at hogwarts the night he went searching for the horcrux with harry if this were true). And by this, dumbledore could be alive and the dragon could be him as an animagus.
Posted by Connor from Minneapolis, Minnesota on June 21, 2007 2:37 PM
Well i don't believe that Dumbledore or any other "good" wizard would make himself a horcrux because making a horcrux is dark magic. But now to the topic itself... I think that Dumbledore is (as a human) but he can still help Harry some other way.
Posted by Marko Jokinen from Finland,Kokkola on June 22, 2007 01:27 AM
What about the beginning of HP 6? Snape made an Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa (Draco's mom) and promised he would Dumbledore if Malfoy couldn't!
And when he says "DON'T CALL ME COWARD!" it doesn't mean he is on the good side. Considering Snape's double-crossing path and hate for Harry's father, it might have been insecurity that brought about that outburst.
I'm sorry-but Snape is bad, and Dumbledore is .
Posted by C. J. from Herriman, Utah on June 23, 2007 12:28 AM
I think that C.J. brings up a good point: Snape vowed to "watch over Draco as he attempts to fulfill the Dark Lord's order" and "if necessary...carry out the deed that the Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform". Supposedly, violating the Unbreakable Vow means , but it's never made clear if the person s instantly. How could Snape have been on Dumbledore's side without breaking the vow and, as a result, ?
Posted by Mike from Milford, CT on June 24, 2007 07:06 AM
Can anyone tell me why we never have actually seen any real transfiguration by Dumbledore, though he was teaching this most of his life? Why does Rowling "hide" this from us? If you combine this with the fact that Dumbledore is the greatest wizard alive I doubt it that he has d. In book 4 we read a part about dragons and the magic power they posses. (It takes 7 or 8 wizards just to stun one dragon) In book 1 they mention the 12 uses of dragonsblood discovered by Dumbledore. If you put 2 and 2 together it is not a Horcrux Dumbledore uses to survive, it's one of the uses of dragonblood. In the final book we certainly be introduced into the 12 uses of Dragonblood. Probably by Hermione. This way we discover how Dumbledore has survived.
I think Voldemort only come out of hiding if he thinks Dumbledore is , therefore Dumbledore arranged his own knowing it would take more than one wizard to him. Therefore he had to fall over the battlements and out of sight, because otherwise the Eaters would discover that Dumbledore didn't from the Avada Kedavra curse.
The fact that for the first time we see a dragon drawn on the cover again confirms this theory. I bet that the US cover shows us how Harry is looking at a dragon arriving, where at the same time Voldemort is looking terrified and trying to stop something/someone. I bet he realizes that Dumbledore is not yet but alive and kicking.
Posted by Dirk from Workum, Holland on June 24, 2007 12:11 PM
Here's something for you to think about. How much emphasis does the series put on socks? Mrs. Weasley is always cleaning socks, Harry is pulling spiders out of his socks, and Dumbledore loves socks. Could that mean that Dumbledore has a sock as a Horcrux? He did the Dark wizard Grindewald...
Posted by Roy Dennis from Berwick, PA on June 24, 2007 5:07 PM
We are never told that Grindelwald is , nor if he is that Albus ed him. We are told he was "defeated" by Albus and as we all know there are worst ways than to destroy a man. In addition, horcruxes are typically objects of value. Pretend you are dark or desperate enough to make one. Would you place a bit of yourself in a sock? Unless you are suggesting that Albus would do so to bluff (not entirely impossible, I admit) or he has procured a relic (A rare find! Merlin's left sock, which parted company with the right shortly after he did his laundry on the night after he reconstructed the Giant's Ring a bit west of Amesbury...) I don't think that if he made a horcrux, it would be placed in a sock. But then again, this is Albus we're talking about...
Posted by Monkeeshrines from orlando fl on June 25, 2007 07:47 AM
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