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Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
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Reader Comments: (Page 38)
Abhay: I totally agree on the fact that when he came at the Dursley's, he already knew he would by the end of the year.
If the "Dumbledore already lived in ly Hallows time and came back using a time-turner" theory is true, then it doesn't mean anything: he already knows when he .
If the theory is false, then we can consider that he planned his . We can't prove that he planned it before Snape did the UV, because the scene is later on. Then I have a question: his is to happen after Malfoy has found a way of ing him and has failed. How can Dumbledore know when that is going to happen?
Posted by herve from strasbourg on June 1, 2007 12:12 AM
How should we read Dumbledore says "until we meet again" to the dursleys (Chapter 03 - Will & Won't)? does it imply this world or the next? it is ambiguous.
Posted by gordon from uk on June 1, 2007 04:16 AM
Gordon, Dumbledore is always very polite. "Until we meet again" is a way to say goodbye in polite, cultured society. Knowing Dumbledore, he could have very well picked that phrase knowing that it was ironic, and he probably would not be meeting them ever again...
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on June 1, 2007 4:28 PM
I agree that Dumbledore knew he would sooner rather than later, but I don't think he knew of the timing. He avoided Draco all year to forestall the inevitable confrontation. When Draco finally let the Eaters into Hogwarts it was Dumbledore's misfortune to be in front of witnesses and condemned by the UV. When it came down to it, the power of the UV found a way to Dumbledore. I think there is a force to such magic that is inescapable. Not just that people try to uphold the Vow they made, but that their actions are influenced by magic in such a way that people are put in situations where their choices are limited or non existent.
I think that Dumbledore suspected the Dursleys would deny entry to Harry, having been frightened one too many times, and so made an appearance to ensure Harry's vital protection for as long as he could.
Maybe Harry hang a portrait of Dumbledore in the Dursley house, and so Dumbledore and the Dursleys meet again!
Posted by Patty from Quincy MA on June 1, 2007 5:50 PM
Saying until we meet again is as Dave puts it a polite way of saying farewell, although in this situation the line maybe added just for some light humour, sort of to tease the Dursleys with the thought of having to face Dumbledore again. And ofcourse as David puts it to create a sad sense of irony.
Herve from Strasbourg
Dumbledore always knew that Draco had to try and him. He also knows that Draco not have the guts to actually perform a ing curse. He always seem to know that Draco fail in his attempt to him. He may not have known exactly when such a situation would arise but may have always known that such a situation would inevitably arise at some point. His instructions to Snape may have simply been me if such a situation arises.
Posted by Abhay Doshi from India Mumbai on June 3, 2007 10:04 PM
Patty: your last post makes me smile, for it would be just great to see Vernon's face if he had a magical portrait of Dumbledore hanging in his house (and even more if the portrait got angry at him for some reason, and was impossible to remove, like the one in the Prime Minister's office).
I also like the idea of the UV interacting slightly on the events so that you are put in the situation to do what you promised.
If Dumbledore had precise informations about the future (for instance, if he got in the future earlier in life), then he might know about his own 's timing, and would have to do everything to make it happen when scheduled. Then, he would have to avoid Draco until the last time.
I know this theory about time traveling can look artificial, but Dumbledore is so confidant about the future, so calm about the events, as if he had had a little conversation with Jo before year one.
Posted by herve from strasbourg on June 4, 2007 02:17 AM
You're right, Dumbledore knows more than he ever lets on.
I sincerely hope he has found a way to help and support Harry in book 7.
Posted by Patty from Quincy MA on June 4, 2007 5:45 PM
I really think Dumbledore is , as much as I hate to say it. There is some much finality in the way his and Harry's feelings are described, I don't think JK plans on bringing him back. I just think we're all so sad he is gone we need a reason to believe he might come back.
However, I feel like Sirius might not be really because of the strange way he d and I am sure Dumbledore comunicate with Harry in some form in the 7th book. I also believe in the Snape-Dumbledore planned theory.
Posted by Kate M. from USA on June 5, 2007 3:41 PM
Based on the fifth book, Snape could not have ed Dumbledore on the Order of the Pheonix's orders. Bellatrix (in the department of mysteries) says, "You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain-to enjoy it..." when referring to Unforgivable Curses.
But in the fourth book, "Moody" performs the Imperius curse on his DADA class. He couldn't possibly enjoy causing all of them pain, otherwise he would have performed a Crucio curse or taken some other method of pain. Why? Because the Imperio curse didn't physically hurt anyone (except Harry, but that was unintentional). Also the Unforgivable Curse/Spider incident. Did he enjoy causing paid to the spiders, or is there another facet to Unforgivable Curses that Bellatrix doesn't know of?
Posted by Nikki from USA on June 6, 2007 1:48 PM
If Harry Potter is (also) a detective story, with Harry in the role of Sherlock Holmes, then we are given the main clues, and we already have most of them.
In this case, there won't be many more clues in book 7, just enough to fill the holes. It would mean that Harry doesn't need more information from Dumbledore. And in fact, as Jo said, there are many clues in the first six books, especially in what Dumbledore told and showed Harry.
Posted by herve from strasbourg on June 6, 2007 1:54 PM
Dumbledore isn't , he can't be. If he is there aren't any possibilities that harry survivies to the prophecy. He has always been helped by dumbledore not only physically but morally. Harry always needs someone to guide him, he isn't old enough to make the most sensible decisions (we can see this when he curses Draco with Sectumsempra). we know that he didn't know that Malfoy would get hurt, however this was very a dangerous thing to do.
I believe that Dumbledore hasn't only pretended his to make Voldemort come to Harry, to end up everything, but to make Harry realise that he must do this, and alone. all of the people who love him have ended up . Harry knows this, but he must understand it, and accept it, which is a very hard thing to do.
It isn't logical that Dumbledore, the best wizard of all times, ends up ed by a simple teacher that was once a -eater. Dumbledore come back again, if he's , from , if not from his hiding place, but i don't think he'll stay forever, he must help Harry and defeat Voldemort. he have finished his role in the story.
Posted by helena from spain on June 8, 2007 12:42 PM
Is it possible that dumbledore is the last horcrux? Because first of all, Voldemort was always afraid of Dumbeldore, perhaps because he knew that if Dumbledore d, he could too? Also, Snape would know that Dumbledore had to for Harry to Voldemort, and that is why Dumbledore made Snape him. Voldemort could have known Malfoy would not be able to him, but Voldemort has no idea that Narcissa made Snape make an unbreakable vow to him. Also, Voldemort knew that Dumbeldore was the most powerful wizard, and therefore thought no one could him, so his soul would be safe.
Posted by Lauren from Illinois on June 8, 2007 9:28 PM
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