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Dumbledore Is Not !

by David Haber

Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.

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i also cried and became depressed that day after reading the HBP. it was sad reading about dumbledore's ... plus the ending was so bitter. it made me crave more of what's gonna happen in book7.

but i do believe that dumbledore's really ... and Snape did it with dumbledore's orders. quite agreeing with your theories dave.. but i really think dumbledore's .

anyway, this article is really good... worth reading:)

Posted by Ashley from Baguio City, Philippines on May 19, 2007 02:21 AM

Jo said that we shouldn't expect dumbledore to pull a "gandalf".

Hmm.. perhaps, Dumbledore could pull an Aslan (chronicles of narnia)?

I know it's almost the same, but Aslan d because of sacrifice.. which Dumbledore did all the same. Could this be possible?

Posted by Amortentia ** from Manila, Philippines on May 22, 2007 10:02 PM

As much fun as it is to speculate about book 7 and the mystery behind Dumbledore's , it feel that it really impossible to feel so definitive one way or the other (Dumbledore vs alive). Jo has done such a good job at being completely ambiguous, it could go either way. There is contradicting proof to both sides of the mystery! I read a post and then say "Ok, he's definitely alive", then read the next and say "Ok, he's definitely " and go back and forth. I know that there is so much more "behind the scenes" that we do not know yet and wont know until the book is released. But, whichever way it goes, I am positive that the book cover ALL of the ambiguities and contradictions and make complete sense.

I do have to admit that something fishy is going on and all is not what it seems. I never got the feeling that the characters in the Order really were that sad at the news of Dumbledore's . I even go as far to say that Lupin's reaction to Dumbledore's seemed a little forced or fake. And I never believe 100% what an author says about the details of an unreleased book... if Jo REALLY wanted readers to know 100% that Dumbledore was , she would have said "Albus Dumbledore", not "Dumbledore". However, I concede that the whole theory about Aberforth switching places with Albus seems unrealistic, given that Aberforth can barely even read! I dont think that he could have taken Harry on the journey to find the Horcruxes and gotten that far if he can barely read (if at all).

So as you can see, I am very back and forth on this issue. I'm just going to stop speculating and look forward to the release!

Posted by Ryan from Roseville, California on May 23, 2007 4:47 PM

Ryan, that's why we're all here! We're all just guessing and nobody knows for sure!

Quick point: We know Aberforth can barely read because Albus told us so. Can we be sure he was telling the truth? Could that not just be what he wanted us to think?

Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on May 23, 2007 4:53 PM

Ryan: it seems that Jo has always referred to Albus Dumbledore as Dumbledore and Aberforth as Aberforth. There is no place for ambiguity in there: in the whole HP series, when the name of Dumbledore is used alone, it's for Albus and never for Aberforth. In fact, we are not even told that Aberforth's last name is Dumbledore (tell me if I'm wrong). He's mentioned as being Albus's brother. He could be a half brother (as Hagrid and Grawp) or Albus could have changed his name a century ago.

Posted by herve from strasbourg on May 24, 2007 02:50 AM

It may seem I'm a pessimist, but I'm just stating the truth. Dumbledore IS . I'm a HUGE HP fan, and I most certainly don't WANT him , but be realistic, I mean, good people in books, films, and even real life. Snape was always a git, and Voldemort can and did make Malfoy (but Malfoy failed) to Dumbledore. J.K. Rowling herself said in an interview that she ed him off because she felt Harry needed the emotional blow to keep him going in book 7 to find all the Horcuxes, so there you go...

Posted by Anomymous on May 24, 2007 06:20 AM

I think the fact that Dumbledore is should be accepted, for it's one of the rare things Jo clearly said since HBP. Up to now, everytime she said something clear, it happened to be true.

I also believe that Snape is on the good side, because Jo worked so hard to show his bad aspects, through Harry's eyes, that an evil Snape would somehow be too logical.

If Snape is good and Dumbledore is , the mystery remains on this topic: why did Dumbledore ? Did he plan everything, asking Snape to accept an UV with Narcissa? (And then how did he know that Malfoy would try to him?) Or did Snape make the UV on his own behalf, and Dumbledore had no choice that accept to save Snape?

If Dumbledore has planned everything, I'm sure he'll be there in DH (the time-turner theory), because I can't figure out how he could plan everything and accept without knowing whether Voldemort was defeated or not. He'll be there under a false identity, of course, because Harry and Voldemort must believe that he's no more living, and it be a younger Dumbledore, because a person can't go back to Earth.

If Snape did it on his own behalf, he's a foolish guy, because he really could avoid doing the Vow, and he had no reason to sacrifice himself or Dumbledore. That's why my beliefs are not on this hypothesis. But I have no clue to prove it.

Maybe a last suggestion: Jo wants us to be sure that Dumbledore is . Why? I can only figure out two reasons:
- Dumbledore's is very disappointing and she wants DH to give nice feelings. Thus, she wants us to accept Dumbledore's before reading DH, so that we don't have, reading DH, the disappointment of not seeing Dumbledore.

- Dumbledore play a role in DH, but not show up. She wants that to appear at the end of DH, and none of us must guess that Dumbledore is there.

Last thing: if Dumbledore is there, I said he would hide himself using a false identity. Not a new character but someone we already met (maybe what he did once when he said in OotP that he wouldn't go on hiding).

Posted by herve from strasbourg on May 25, 2007 02:49 AM

i have looked around a bit and seen that you missed the most important evidence that Dumbldore didn't (completely), when he and Draco have that little chat just before the rest of the -eaters arrive. Dumbledore say's something like this "It isn't easy to someone when you are about to do it, it is harder than many know" or something like that... i think Dumbledore has a horcrux, i think he has ed someone and split his soul in 2 as he said earlier in the book, no one has split his soul that many times.

Posted by Morgan from sweden on May 29, 2007 06:28 AM

There are I believe 2 more clues that suggest Dumbledore may have planned his own , One of them clue appears right at the beginning of the book HBP when Dumbledore comes to collect Harry from the Dursley's house. He tells Vernon and Petunia that next year they should allow Harry to return until he is 17 years old. Why would he want to tell them this 1 year in advance? Why couldn't he have informed the Dursley's that Harry would return for the last time when he actually does return for that last time? by that I mean when Harry actually finishes his 6th year? Could it be because when that time comes Dumbledore knew he would no longer be alive?
And finally the gleam of triumph in book 4 which Jo has said is still extremely important. Could the gleam of triumph be because Dumbledore finally saw a way to destroy voldemort and the immediate old and wary look that follows the gleam of triumph be because Dumbledore knew it would involve his own ?

Posted by Abhay Doshi from India Mumbai on May 31, 2007 06:17 AM

I have read so much about Dumbledore's and I believe the whole vs. alive has been completely exhausted! Almost every avenue has been fully thought out and posted about....except one possibility: Becoming a ghost!

We have been told that we find out in DH why some people become ghosts after they . What if Dumbledore was OK with because he knew he would still be able to help Harry and the rest destroy LV by becoming a ghost? He might not be able to help them out physically, but he could talk to them and tell them things that they need to know. After all, didn't Jo say something about Dumbledore still playing a big role in the book? It doesnt make sense if it is the picture of Dumbledore that plays a big role: It cant go with them, pictures are only supposed to regurgitate common things they used to say when they were alive, etc., so that would mean that he couldn't have anything useful or new to say to anyone. Wouldnt it make more sense if Dumbledore became a ghost? And, if he were to become a ghost (like Moaning Myrtle), that would make it so that Jo didnt lie about Dumbledore being ... she would be true to her word.

Posted by Ryan from Roseville on May 31, 2007 09:13 AM

Abhay - I completely agree that he tells the Dursleys about this a year in advance due to him knowing he not be there next year, and further to that, Albus waits to tell them until Harry is present, so Harry know that he need to return.

Posted by Monkeeshrines from orlando fl on May 31, 2007 1:00 PM

Ryan the reason why Dumbledore may not be a ghost is as because it has been hinted that those who fear often choose to stay behind as ghosts. If the first 6 books tell us anything about Dumbledore's character then it is that he doesn't fear .

What if Dumbledore knew that Snape had made an unbreakable vow and he knew that if he lived then both Snape and Draco would ? What if he sacrificed himself out of love for Snape and Draco? Just the way Lily sacrificed her self to save Harry and give him a protection. Could Dumbledore have done the same to save Snape or Draco? Then Snape would probably gain Voldemort's trust to find out about the remaining Horcurxes and help harry find them. Finally Snape could reveal himself as a supporter of Dumbledore to Voldemort who out of anger may try to snape who in turn would be protected by Dumbledore's love causing the spell to bounce back on Voldemort. This it may seem is wrong because Harry is supposed to the "Dark Lord". But if Harry destroys the horcuxes then would he not be destroying the dark lord? For the Dark lord is the dark lord only because of his horcruxes? With them destroyed isn't he just another mortal?

Posted by Abhay Doshi from India Mumbai on May 31, 2007 10:27 PM

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