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Dumbledore Is Not !

by David Haber

Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.

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I think that there is a loophole in the Unbreakable vow. Snape said he would carry out the job given to Draco by the Dark Lord if DRACO could not do it in a year, but Snape didnt say HE would carry out the job within a year! I think that Snape made it LOOK like he ed Dumbledore, so they could both work to destroy the Dark Lord, and this helps Dumbledore because now even the Order of the Phoenix now believes him , so he can work full time towards finding the Horcruxes with no hindrances, AND Snape gets to keep being a spy a little longer, because the Order believes him a traitor now! But then that leaves the Unbreakable Vow, which means if Snape doesnt Dumbledore EVENTUALLY, he as soon as Dumbledore s. So many possibilities...

Posted by Dante on May 1, 2007 1:42 PM

Minutes before Dumbledore s when he is trying to turn Draco. Draco says he has no choice, Voldermort him if he doesn't Dumbledore. Then Dumbledore says "He cannot you if your already " this leads me to belive that if Draco had turned at that point then Snape would have pretended to Dumbledore and Draco together, and that Dumbledore is not he simply wants Voldermort to think he is so he stop trying to him.

Posted by Erik from Ronig, Monilac on May 2, 2007 5:10 PM

ERIC FROM RONIG, I totally overlooked that... If he can make it look like Draco d, then he can most certainly make it look like HE has d himself...

Posted by Dante on May 2, 2007 5:30 PM

It seems possible to me that Dumbledore is an Animagus, but then he can't be Fawkes, because there's been scenes with both Fawkes and Dumbledore in the same room, I don't think you can be both shapes at once... Being the powerful wizard that he is, his 'ending' seemed much too simple for me, I'd expect him to go out with a bang, after numerous efforts, not just one simple "Avada Kedavra".

The fact that J.K.R. said that he is really means absolutely nothing to me; I've read people's reactions like "Well, there were children there, she wouldn't lie to children!"
Think about it: this woman has dedicated more than FIFTEEN years of her life to these books, and people really believe she is prepared to give away the climax? I EXPECT her to lie, I'm surprised she's even asked these questions (offended to some point really), even by a fellow writer!

I also don't think that Dumbledore created a Horcrux, he'd have to for that to happen, and he told Tom Riddle once that there were "more powerful ways to destroy a man", so even with the defeat of Grindelwald in 1945 there is a possibility that he got rid of him without having to him...

Posted by broom with a view from rotterdam, netherlands on May 3, 2007 04:20 AM

Well. I agree on the "numerous attempts" point, but we differ on the "simple" part. Avada Kedavra is far from simple, and I doubt whether Dumbledore himself could dream up a counter curse or shield for the Final Curse. This is some serious power we're talking about. I mean you heard Moody,"You can all take you'r wands out and point it at me and I doubt I would get a nosebleed"...
I do think there is a way he could have survived it though...

Heres my theory:
Back in the Atrium at the Ministry, when Harry threw a Crucio Curse at Bellatrix, she was only in pain for a few seconds, and then she told him he really has to WANT to cause pain, and righteous anger wont hurt for long.
Im thinking that maybe the other two, the Imperious Curse an the Final Curse, are similar. Now for the Imperious Curse, it would only CONTROL someone for a few second, then stop. but for the Final Curse, it cant just someone for a few seconds then return them to life, can it? So I'm thinking that if someone actually pulls it off but didnt really WANT to the intended person, it takes the victim to a state of VERY near , deeper than any trance, coma, hypnotism or unconscience state, and they wake up a few days later. Since this is DUMBLEDORE we're talking about, he probably could wake up earlier, and thats how he made the flames, turned into a phoenix, and disappeared in a flash of fire(vis-a-vis, Fawkes could do the same thing, and did, when Dumbledore said "We need... a warning..."

Posted by Dante on May 3, 2007 7:45 PM

Dante: that's clever, but I don't think Jo show in the last book something that has not been used before. And we have for sure never seen a curse that would have the effect you describe.

Posted by herve from strasbourg on May 4, 2007 1:22 PM

Dante, I meant 'simple' from the reader's point of view of course; all we get to read are the curse and its effect, which filled up 9 lines in the book, instead of a battle that goes on for pages:)

Posted by broom with a view from rotterdam, netherlands on May 5, 2007 02:19 AM

At the end of the book, Harry is laying on the ground without a wand, and snape in front of him.... Why doesn't snape him? voldemort is already at full strength.
He just could Harry... But he didn't. So snape is at our side!

Posted by Gercooow from Losser, Netherlands on May 8, 2007 09:10 AM

Something I don't get is the fact that Harry is not really able to cause Bellatrix pain with the Crucio curse. But it does say in GOF that Harry does want to cause pain to her. In the chapter entitled "the Pensieve" he finds out how the Longbottoms were tortured. He lies awake that night trying to figure out how to cause Bellatrix pain. I think when he cast the spell at Bellatrix in the Ministry of Magic, he did actually mean it, but Dumbledore must have blocked it somehow to keep Harry from casting it, and keep his soul "pure". Notice that Dumbledore shows up immediately after this?

Posted by Dave Porter from New Mexico on May 8, 2007 9:24 PM

Dave Porter: There's a big difference between WANTING to do something, and actually being able to do it. Harry may hate Bellatrix for what she did to his friend's parents, but he couldn't really hurt Bellatrix when it came down it, because he's a good person and has a conscience.

Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on May 8, 2007 9:58 PM

Ok heres what I think happened to dumbledore: Remember back when harry yelled crucio at bellatrix? well she FLEW back just like dumbledore did when snape casted the ing curse the reason bellatrix flew back was because harry did not want to cause pain, no he EXPECTED it to do pain. Not actually want to. I think the same is with snape and dumbledore, except snape did not intent it to happen he just said the words so i think when you do a unforgivable curse if you don't really mean it or don't enjoy OR only expect it to they just fly back! Also only three horcruxes left R.A.B. destroyed the slytherin locket

Posted by Jorge from Great falls on May 11, 2007 3:16 PM

Jorge from Great falls, R.A.B (Regulus Black, i know this because in finland R.A.B = R.A.M, and Black = Musta) didnt destroy the slytherin locket, the house elf took it, or the thief from OotP took it, like many other stuff, which he was selling near Hog's Head

Posted by Kalle from Finland on May 14, 2007 2:33 PM

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