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Dumbledore Is Not !

by David Haber

Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.

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i think dumbledore isn't really yet. remember in the 4th book when harry told dumbledore that voldemort had come back and it said dumbledore had a look of triumph in his eyes. maybe he realized that if a person makes horcruxes and the part of their soul in their body is destroyed, they can still regain their body. and if he gave up lily and james potter, he feels so guilty about this, he is able to feel like he has committed and can make a Horcrux of his own. and now that he appears , Voldemort won't be looking for him and he easily be able to look for Voldemort's horcuxes.

Posted by Pat on April 15, 2007 10:42 AM

Going back to older comments where people were debating whether or not Dumbledore is a phoenix, or a phoenix animagus, etc. Has anyone here mentioned that in one of the books (I think it was C of S) Dumbledore mentions that he once set the bedclothes on fire as a student? That line has always stuck with me...maybe when he was young he couldn't control the burning time?

Posted by robthomaseyes on April 15, 2007 11:16 AM

I know, it doesn't take an Albus Dumbledore to realize that this theory has hardly a chance of being valid in Rowling's DH. But as a standalone thing, it's not illogical.

Fawkes is Dumbledore. Let's call this Dumbledore Dold- he's about 155 in OoTP. At the end of DH, aged 157, Dold/Fawkes goes back in time, perhaps in 1936. In 1936, where Voldemort is 11(i reckon), and where is other self, Dyoung, is 96. Dold, before entering the service of Dyoung as a pet phoenix, has already shed the two feathers for the future wands of Harry and Vold�. Dold and Dyoung age together. Dyoung knows about Dold, who does not reveal everything about future events, so as not to jeopardize their existence.

Sometimes, when Dyoung is unavailable, Dold the Fawkish phoenix replaces him. Like In PS, when Harry had just toasted Quirrell, Dyoung was effectively away at the Ministry or thereabouts. So Dold took his human form and took Harry to the hospital wing. We must have met in mid air says Dyoung. I think owls get a real headache when delivering mail for Dumbledore. They might be the only ones who know the "truth".

In actual science the laws of physics gain a twist i.e in near absolute zero conditions, and we are talking about time travel here. It's all theoretical. I think in A Brief History of Time, the least geeky science book ever, Hawkins mentioned the pitfalls in traditional reasoning when dealing with infinity and time travel. Dold s, the Dyoung who has been keeping Dold as a phoenix goes back in 1936 from DH's timeline to be Dold. His is still ahead of him, in HBP. There is no eternal loop or paradox.

Remember that he comes from the future, around the time when Voldemort has already been defeated and the other Dumbledore, in his normal form (human, headmaster) already been ed. So he travels back to 1936 after helping Harry and, transformed as a phoenix, meets a younger Dumbledore (human, head master) aged 96. But in OOTP, he switches to his normal Dumbledore (human, headmaster) form while the Dumbledore who has been existing as normal Dumbledore (the human, headmaster) transforms into a phoenix. This now normal Dumbledore, but hitherto Fawkes the phoenix, gets ed in HBP, while Fawkes (Dumbledore transformed) leaves Hogwarts after The Phoenix Lament, only to return in DH, helping Harry, and going back to 1936 (in phoenix form), meeting a normal Dumbly aged 96, switching places with him in OOTP, and getting himself ed in HBP while the Dumbledore, who was 96 in 1936, now in Fawkes form Helps Harry in DH, and so on.

Posted by cold_is_my_fav_color from Austria on April 15, 2007 3:10 PM

Dumbledore said that he had set the curtains of his bedroom on fire in GoF, after Cedric had d, in the movie. I remember cause it was the bad Dumbledore that delivered the line. I don't like the new Dumbledore. He is ferocious and mean and yelling, unlike the old Dumbledore. Oh well.
I think that Dumbledore is an Animagus phoenix; Patty from Quincy thinks otherwise, but thats ok. If Dumbledore were reaching a Burning Day, he would have probably transform into a phoenix, to not hurt his human body. I seriously doubt that Dumbledore even reached a Burning Day while he was at Hogwarts. Phoenixes only burst into flame when it is time for them to , and I don't think Dumbledore d while he was still at school.

Posted by Ashley from Missouri on April 15, 2007 5:35 PM

I think dumbledore isn't , and i think dumbledore is an animagus, and the reason why i think so is,

White smoke spiraled into the air and made strange shapes: Harry thought, for one heart-stopping moment, that he saw a phoenix fly joyfully into the blue, but next second the fire had vanished.

I think dumbledore has put the grave on fire himself when he turned or changed in a pheonix (his animagus) and then "JOYFULLY" flew away...

and what is Posted by cold_is_my_fav_color from Austria on April 15, 2007 3:10 PM makes a lot of sense to me too, because dumbledore feels guilt about the of harry's parents, because if it's true what i think, it's necessary for harry's parents to , because of he stopped that, harry, the story wouldn't have happened.

Posted by Lazlo from Kootstertille, holland on April 17, 2007 1:12 PM

i have a question that I hope someone can help me answer.

it seems dumbledore knew about draco's task all along, and he was also aware that snape had taken an unbreakable vow to finish draco's task if he failed. question is, WHY did dumbledore even try to convince draco to give up and come back from the Dark Side? Regardless of Draco's success with the task, someone s because there only seem to exist 4 scenarios:

1. draco succeeded, dumbledore s;
2. draco fails, snapes, binding by the vow, takes over the task and succeeds, and dumbledore s;
3. draco fails, snapes breaks the vow and s;
4. craco fails, snapes s trying to finish the task.

i'm just really confused what was going through dumbledore's head.

Posted by JC from new york, ny on April 18, 2007 12:29 PM

JC -
I think Albus was trying to keep Draco from tearing his soul in the act of . "ing is not as easy as the innocent believe" (or something like that). I also think that Albus had planned to at Severus hand and have Harry witness it. When Albus was pleading to Draco not to him, he was trying to keep Draco pure.

Posted by Monkeeshrines from orlando fl on April 19, 2007 09:22 AM

the theory that dumbledore is still alive has lead me to believe that throughout the 6th book they used Polyjuice potion. this means that snape was dumbledore and visa versa.

Posted by Dranga on April 21, 2007 02:36 AM

Tahnk you so much for making this website! I agree with the theories about Snape and Dumbledore having an agreement, but did anyone else know about his plans? Just a thought.

Posted by Elise from Alberta, Canada on April 21, 2007 3:28 PM

first of all, thank u so much people for creating this website. i was so disappointed last august, when i had finished one reading of HBP only to find Dumbledore .. i mean, i cudnt sleep for days when i realised its over!

Then, i never understood the fact that there are quite a few hidden clues in JKRs book. i read in her interview where says, She writes the book where one readin not give a full understanding of the story, it has to read over and over again.

and yes i did read HBP last week again. AND amazingly - i found the clues mentioned in this article - and wow.

1. avada kedavra spell - yes it doesnt throw the person off, but the person might simply and fall to the ground.

2. Dumbledore once said "for a well organised mind, is yet another great adventure." HELLO!? can a person who ever said this, plead for his life? as he did in HBP - where, harry hears dumbledores voice in a pleading way to snape. and i for one, agree that, Dumbledore was pleading to Snape to KILL HIM ( appear to ) and not let him free.

3. theres yet another scene in the book which proves the fact that Dumbledores was a game or play by snape and dumbldore. its when ron is in the hospital wing. and Hagrid says, he overheard a conversation between Snape and Dumbledore, they were arguing over something, and snape said, he was being over worked.
This happens after christmas. note this point - before christmas in Slughorns Party, Snape asks Draco in the room. Well, and then kids go home for christmas. then they come back, and ron has a bad birthday and lands up in the hospital wing. this conversation between Snape and Dumbledore happened "the other day" as hagrid says. it might be well after the Katie being attacked, or even after Snape spoke to draco.

What do you all think about this?

Posted by Bhavadharini Balaji from Coimbatore, India on April 27, 2007 05:52 AM

draco didnt albus, BUT instead snape does BUT remember in order of the phoenix when harry was fighting bellatrix and he "tried" to use the crucio curce on her but when it didnt work and she said something like "never used an unforgivible curce have you potter you need to mean them potter" (page 810). SO snape might not have meant it.

Posted by alexis from rochester ny on April 27, 2007 6:25 PM

After I completed reading HP GOF - to make sure of somethings - I found some small details that give us evidence that Dumbledore is not , and that he planned for it all.

In the next to last chapter in GOF - parting of the ways - Dumbledore say something about an order - which happened to be the order of the phoenix, and then gave every member a job to do. He told Hagrid something secret - we find out in OOTP that his job was trying to persuade the Giants to work with the good side than Voldemort's. He told Snape - you know what to do - meaning that it was something they already planned - and the secret job is to fool the dark side and become a spy for Dumbeldore. He ed Dumbeldore on his orders, to make sure that the dark side believes him.

Also, in the second chapter of HBP, he told Bellatrix that he was still faithful to the dark lord, that the dark lord favor him, and then made the Unbreakable Vow, and Bellatrix believed him.

Posted by ZaYoOoD from E.Riffa, Bahrain on April 29, 2007 04:13 AM

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