Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
> Read the full articlePages: << < 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 ... > >> Reader Comments: (Page 31) I agree that Dumbledore knows quite well that he is far more expendable than Harry in terms of the fight against Voldemort. I'm not sure that he is seeing the future though. He is going on the prophecy of course which has worked out to mean that Harry is the only one with a chance to Voldemort. This is not quite the same as knowing the future. More like knowing what the ultimate end might be under the right circumstances.
Dumbledore himself says at the end of OOTP that he did not expect to care for Harry so much. He had not taken it into account when he laid his plans for the future. I'm sure he expected to feel affection for Harry, to care about him as he would any of his students, but I think he came to feel far more deeply about Harry. Perhaps more as a father or grandfather given their relative ages, and to the extent that his affection for Harry might stand in the way of doing what was best for the long term goal of destroying Voldemort. He says as much.
Dumbledore's affection is very evident when Harry tells him about the meeting with Rufus Scrimgeour, and that Rufus has accused him of being "Dumbledore's man through and through".
"How very rude of him."
"I told him I was."
Dumbledore is nearly in tears at this point. I think Harry's loyalty to him, especially after the way he mishandled both Harry and Sirius the previous year, means a great deal to him on a personal level.
Both Dumbledore and Harry are very stiff upper lip, British males. That is not entirely comfortable with wearing their hearts on their sleeves. In some ways this makes the rare personal exchanges between them very powerful. Remember Dumbledore looking the other way in PS/SS after he has told Harry why Voldemort was unable to him as a baby? Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on March 19, 2007 03:46 AM
There's something absurd about the fact Dumbledore would accept to without knowing how the story ends. Of course, in doing this, he might give new powers to Harry and foul Voldemort. But he always said that Harry had to act on his own . What if Harry eventually refused to fight with Voldemort.
And what if Harry had an accident, if he was submitted to Imperium curse by a eater, attacked by a bunch of giants, or anything else that would prevent him from defeating Voldemort. Dumbledore's plans would fail at once.
I think that if Dumbledore accepts , he must be 100 % sure (probably because he was there to witness it) that Voldemort be defeated. Posted by herve from strasbourg on March 19, 2007 06:38 AM
i saw someone touched on dumbledore being able to transform himself, apparently jk rowling has stated that dumbledore could transform into a phoenix, if this being the case it could explain what harry saw fly from the coffin of dumbledore as we know phoenix are reborn through there ashes, though saying this you would believe that dumbledore had d in the first place. when you look at all the victims of the avada kedavra they all have eyes open, also the clues of having to mean the curse, i think snape had to be seen to be evil due to having to convince voldermort of his loyalty to him, we know voldermort can look into minds he may see something which would blow snapes cover, anyway i do believe one way or another dumbledore appear in book 7. Posted by leanne from scotland on March 19, 2007 1:17 PM
I agree with Leanne. Prehaps Dumbledore actually d and became a Phoenix not an animagus. After all JK said he is and I don't believe he swaped places with anyone or time traveled. Posted by Jeff from Tennessee on March 19, 2007 5:01 PM
Clarification needed
"You have not asked me, for instance, what is my favourite flavour of jam, to check that I am indeed professor Dumbledore, and not an impostor (I didn’t, Harry began,) for future reference, Harry, it is raspberry…although of course, if I were a eater, I would have been sure to research my own jam preferences before impersonating myself.’ er … right said Harry."
What would you read this to mean, that he was intending to appear as a eater. It dose seem to point to a possible, I did not clue, would appreciate other thoughts on this. UK edition/ Horace slughorn p63 Posted by gordon from uk on March 20, 2007 02:07 AM
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Throughout the books we see Dumbledore interested in sweets. His password is always some kind of candy. He is unable to ever enjoy Botts Every Flavor Beans. When Hagrid is flying Harry to safety, Dumbledore calmly eats lemon sherbets.
I think it means no more than to humanize Dumbledore. To give him something we can identify with. He is the greatest wizard, the only wizard that Voldemort feared. He bears the burden of knowing the full extent of the prophecy and the coming battle. And yet he is able to enjoy the little things in life, and makes a point of letting others know it.
He is wise enough to see the problems he faces, implement a plan, and trust that his plan work out. One of my favorite Dumbledore quotes is "That is quite enough to be getting on with." Then he puts aside the worry and enjoys a sweet.
I also see Dumbledore's comment about raspberry jam as a dig at the Ministry's inadequate procedures to protect people. The Ministry is an ineffective bureaucracy, designed more to give people like Percy a purpose in life, than to actually get a job done. I know there are good people working at the Ministry and they do important work, but this in in spite of, not due to, the Ministry's actions. This is why Dumbledore would not accept the Ministry position. He is more free to influence the wizarding world when not involved in Ministry politics, being ordered around by the likes of Umbridge and Malfoy.
This is my take on Dumbledore's comment. Posted by Patty from Quincy,Massachusetts on March 20, 2007 06:56 AM
Excellent Patty! I don't think anyone could have said it better. Dumbledore has a way of seeing through the clutter and getting right to the heart of the matter and I love his "STYLE." He has a great sense of humor too.
I believe in OotP someone says he has "STYLE!" I think this was after he leaves Hogwarts and seals his office from Umbridge. But I could be wrong it's been a while since I read the book.
Guess I'll have to reread them all before July 21st. Posted by Jeff from Tennessee on March 20, 2007 8:14 PM
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JKR has given us a wonderful story about the passage of childhood to adulthood - part of that passage is excepting loss and growing up - and therefore I think Dumbledore is .
But Harry, learn from all that he has been taught by Dumbledore to overcome Voldermort(whether that means Voldemort's remains to be seen).
Snape is a good guy and give Harry the lesson of 'never judge a book by its cover' etc -
I just hope that JKR gives a solid conclusion. Call me a romantic by my wish is that we conclude with (and give 20 years or so):
Harry and Ginny are married and running Hogwarts (just a query - why are none of the Professors at Hogwarts married or have children?)
Ron and Hermione are married and working in the Ministry.(Hermione as Minister of Magic)
Neville and Luna set up a Nursery together.
... I could go on matching characters with happy endings but I just hope JKR goes the same way.
You can see HP being the Dumbledore of the future as the Head of Hogwarts who can spot the damaged child like Tom Riddle (that Dumbledore was able to understand, but not foresee the ramifications) and preventing the emergence of another Voldemort.
Who really knows...roll on July! Posted by Jemmi from Melbourne on March 21, 2007 07:30 AM
Jeff-
It was Phineas Nigellus, Sirius' great-great-grandfather, who said "You know Minister, I disagree with Dumbledore on many accounts, but you have to admit he's got style" Posted by Ashley from Missouri on March 21, 2007 2:03 PM
I think Dumbledore is a ghost as he must of been unhappy when he d because he knew he was leaving Harry and the others to fend for himself. Posted by Mike from Bridgeport,Connecicut,USA on March 21, 2007 4:18 PM
Ashley, thank you for the actual quote. I've liked that line every since I first read it. Dumbledore has always been my favorite but Harry is the hero and Snape is by far the most interesting to me. Posted by Jeff from Tennessee on March 21, 2007 9:12 PM
I just stumbled upon another evidence about reviving dumbledore.
The quote from HBP: "Terror tore at Harry's heart.... He had to get to Dumbledore and he had to catch Snape.... Somehow the two things were linked....He could reverse what had happened if he had them both together.... Dumbledore could not have d..."
Is it a clue that if Harry happens to get them together somehow then Dumbledore can rise again. But then how do we get Dumbledore now that he is buried?
Any thoughts friends? Posted by noor from india on March 22, 2007 03:25 AM
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