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Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
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Reader Comments: (Page 27)
Ashley, if Aberforth was using Polyjuice to disguise himself as Albus then he would bear the same scarred and disfigured arm.
As for the portraits, the fact that there is a portrait there does not mean he is . As far as I know you don't have to be to have a portrait on that wall. You simply have to be a former head of Hogwarts.
As for time travel and a future Dumbledore and such, I am afraid that simply is not possible. Jo herself has stated clearly on her site that no character in the books is from the future. So, a future Dumbledore did not show up anywhere and do anything. Not unless Jo is wrong. And since she wrote the books, there isn't much chance of that.:-)
Posted by Michael Brinkley from Oceanside, Ca on February 21, 2007 4:40 PM
What a great website. Some of the theories are quite interesting and well thought out but others are definitely grasping at straws. I do look forward to seeing Dumbledore again in DH but I believe he is . His hand was injured destroying the ring horcrux. Did Snape stop the curse from ing AD or just delay the inevitable. Plus Dumbledore drank the green potion in the cave. This too was probably slowly ing him. So in the end Snape fulfilled two vows when he ed Dumbledore. The Unbreakable vow with Narcissa and some unknown vow with Dumbledore. There are many ways for Dumbledore to come back OR maybe I should say ways for him to communicate with Harry even though he is . Maybe Dumbledore chose to come back as a ghost because he has unfinished business (like helping Harry). The portrait is the easiest guess to help Harry. Stored memories left with someone, Aberforth perhaps, to pour into the pensive is another. What about the mirror? If Harry can talk to Serious, why not AD or anyone else that Sirius had with him. Harry thought he heard voices when he stood at the vail in the Ministries. This could be dangerous because it seemed Harry was temped to fall thought the vail. To me the Vail seemed to be some kind of execution device, to impose a sentence on wizards. Maybe even Fawkes could relay messages. I'm sure there are many different magical ways to communicate from beyond the grave we have not heard of. But remember JK said Dumbledore is and in fact that Aberforth is the barman at Hogs Head. Albus didn't himself and I agree with many of you that he would never let someone else in his place. But he was and he & Snape knew it. My theory is that maybe he made a well thought out sacrifice to protect Harry, similar to what Lily did!
Posted by Jeff from Tennessee on February 21, 2007 9:06 PM
Michael: someone put on this site (I don't remember in which thread though) the answer Jo made about coming back from the future. Asked about the idea Dumbledore could be the son of Harry reversed in past times, she said that "none in the books came back from the future". I think she considers "the books" as a whole, as if it was only one very large novel. I don't think it means that none did time-travelling inside the saga, even from one book to another. We already saw two people coming from the future inside one of the books (Hary and Hermione in PoA)
Posted by herve from strasbourg on February 22, 2007 12:23 AM
Hi! im lizette and im 12 years old.
I just read Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince and I was devistated when Dumbledore d! I could not believe that he was actually ed by Snape. I cried through the last pages and I hated the book.
My best friend (nathalie) said to go to this site and read everything. So i did. When i read everything I was actually relieved that someone else believed he wasn't too. And I started liking the book again.
Because of this site im going to read every book again, not to find the find clues. But because I like the Harry Potter books again (I said i'd never touch one of her books again, LOL). Im not putting too much hope in that he's alive. But your clues where so good! Im just waiting for book 7 to see if you are right. (which I think you are)
Posted by lizette from Amsterdam on February 23, 2007 07:15 AM
It's been said that no character come back from the future, but another way for Dumbledore to be around in book 7 is for him to time travel from the past.
Posted by Mikey from New Jersey on February 23, 2007 10:53 PM
Mikey, Great observation.
That would be why he would have to in book 6, remembering the problems with time travelling wizards meeting themselves that were listed by Hermione.
Posted by Patty from Quincy MA on February 24, 2007 07:30 AM
If Dumbledore is still there in book 7 (what I really hope), and if he is younger than the Dumbledore we have seen in HBP (the only possible explanation if Dumbledore d for real at the end of HBP), then Dumbledore had a very good reason to : for him, Voldemort had already been defeated and Dumbledore wouldn't take the slightest risk to modify that good ending through a bad move.
To be clearer, in DH, Dumbledore is supposed to be , then he has to be . Imagine that someone, a Eater or anybody else, could prove that Dumbledore was still alive. It would make everything be different and maybe in this "parallel story" Voldemort would end up winning. That's in no way acceptable for Dumbledore, and not worth living a few years more.
Time-travelling makes both possible and necessary Dumbledore's at the end of HBP. I put this forward because I think that HP series isn't gothic fiction: important s are there because they have to be there for the plot, not to show how our world is cruel.
Posted by herve from strasbourg on February 26, 2007 05:55 AM
Dumbledore lives: An attempted summary
1 - Page 520 uk edition /the cave
"And with the sudden agility of a much younger man. Dumbledore slid from the boulder, landed in the sea and began to swim with a perfect breast stroke."
Sounds a little like a stand in for Dumbledore, possibly professor snape or even wormtail, whom it seems is residing in the same house as snape (spinners end). could this be wormtails to Harry as this could be a critical point for future events? And if wormtail survives with the phoenix help he could be hidden as Draco was offered. if the following were to prove true the above would prove far more feasible.
2 - Ref the unbreakable vow/ Spinners end page 41 UK edition
Professor snape, I am sure, is an excellent all round wizard, as shown by the entries in Harry�s potions book. He is well read and very quick to learn. Point being we don�t know much about the unbreakable vow. And it may have to be done, just right. The twitch the pause and the wording Could alter the outcome. And professor snape knows this.
3- Also could professor snape�s excessive hostility be a cover to showing his true feelings toward Harry? He is first to break eye contact with Harry, is this because the green eyes do have a bearing on seeing the best in people? I feel that snape has a critical roll to play or should I say, is playing a critical roll. He is too bad to be true. He has an almost fatherly attitude to draco. just popped into my head. Maybe a hint to a better side. I am just about to change the text to professor snape.
Draco professor snape�s son, um possibly same entry year as Harry? complicated but who knows.
4 � wormtail I think
UK edition/ Horace slughorn p63
"You have not asked me, for instance, what is my favourite flavour of jam, to check that I am indeed professor Dumbledore, and not an impostor (I didn�t, Harry began,) for future reference, Harry, it is raspberry�although of course, if I were a eater, I would have been sure to research my own jam preferences before impersonating myself.� er � right said Harry."
This seems to me to be a clue to survival. What a lovely thought. The eaters infiltrated by professor Dumbledore. And professor snape in high regard by voldemort. Must be too good to be true. Possibly far to many holes in it and so many ways to be achieved.
Also I concur with er � right said Harry.
Most has been gleaned from this site. and a great bunch of sleuth�s you all are. Hope it makes some sense.
Posted by gordon from uk on February 26, 2007 09:27 AM
i think Dumbledore return in some higher spiritual live-form to communicate with Harry and to help him. Like OBI-WAN KENOBI helps Luke Skywalker in Star Wars, after Vader ed him.
He drank the venemously potion instead of Harry, because the potion would have been ed Harry.
Anyway, i hope joanne surprise me in DH.
Posted by stefan from essen, germany on February 27, 2007 08:00 AM
Jeff in Tenn, I like what you had to say about the vail in the Ministry of Magic and Dumbledore providing some kind of protection for Harry. It makes alot of sense and is very thought provoking. I never thought of the vail as an execution device for wizards. This also reminds me of something Dumbledore once said to Harry. There are some things worse than . Was he talking about splitting your soul and living a cursed life or having your soul sucked out of your body and being left un. Could the vail have something to do with "ly Hallows". All those souls on the other side. Protecting Harry was always one of Dumbledore's top priorities. Dumbledore was ed on Voldemort's orders and prehaps some agreement between Dumbledore and Snape, if he was already . He may have used this to their advanage to protect Harry in some way. You really have some original ideas that are actually plausable. So (right now) I totally agree with you!
Posted by D. L. from Knoxville, TN on March 1, 2007 09:35 AM
i think that Dumbledore is . i believe this because Dumbledore does not want to stand in between Harry and Lord Voldermort. He wants Harry to find the last hoxcruxes on his own, without any help. Dumbledore did not want to but he knows he has to make a sacrifice for Harry. Dumbledore is a smart man. but i myself read the book a while ago and a friend told me about this website so my mind is not so fresh on the story. what all you guys said could be true and those were all good ideas, but i still doubt that Dumbledore is still alive.
Posted by shanon from iowa on March 5, 2007 5:04 PM
I think the argument that Dumbledore must be because JKR says so is nonsense. Of course she is going to say that!
How totally stupid would she have to be to come out and say "Oh yeah, you got me! Dumbledore isn't , you guessed right!"
She is not going to do that in a MILLION years! It would be totally stupid of her to say that, and let's face it, who here would feel slightly less excited about the book if they knew Dumbledore was going to be back in it, as oppose to not knowing, and only finding out once they've brought the book! Thats what JKR is all about!
Its her biggest promotional tool, to drop the TOTALLY OBVIOUS clues, than deny the whole thing. It keeps people guessing, and ultimately leads to greater tension and excitement when the book is finally released.
Posted by Darren from Leamington on March 6, 2007 04:47 AM
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